I probably have bored everybody to death with my requests, but could you perhaps paint Swingman's Grumman Duck as air-sea rescue model, something like this one perhaps?
Or any other paint, its very nice model, but with very few skins sadly
Just finished a new 2D panel for the Storch..
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I probably have bored everybody to death with my requests, but could you perhaps paint Swingman's Grumman Duck as air-sea rescue model, something like this one perhaps?
Or any other paint, its very nice model, but with very few skins sadly
Im not very good searcher, havent found any photos of upper wings, i guess they are standart insignia on left wing and with USAF on right one, hope those can be helpful somehow:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OA-12_J2F-6_48-563_USAF-Museum.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-...23291/L/&sid=bf61d6d64251802008b100dcfb812280
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/090611-F-1234K-024.jpg
gaucho_59
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This is a pre-war to early ww2 plane....
I am afraid any USAF would be apocryphal as the US Air Force was not founded until 1948....
I will try a search... but I am quite busy right now preparing to join my wife in Germany at the end of May... and will be there until
October-November or the real cold starts... (whichever comes first... lol) making arrangements to watch the house, pay bills, etc.
We'll see what can be done... but I can't promise right now... if you find good info... I can do the paint whenever you find it....
Cheers,
G.
I must correct myself... ***
I see no markings in the lower wing undersurfaces... so it would probably have only main wing upper surfaces with insignia or any
codes....
addendum: just did a cursory search... and the picture you have is that of an Air-sea rescue conversion for the United States Army Air Forces (and later United States Air Force, OA-12A).
Actually, it is an old Duck painted to look like an OA-12A at the Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio.
The real OA-12 had a longer central pontoon float than the old USN and USAAC "Ducks"... so maybe you can find some other RESCUE version livery for the old Duck....
and opt for that one...
I am afraid any USAF would be apocryphal as the US Air Force was not founded until 1948....
I will try a search... but I am quite busy right now preparing to join my wife in Germany at the end of May... and will be there until
October-November or the real cold starts... (whichever comes first... lol) making arrangements to watch the house, pay bills, etc.
We'll see what can be done... but I can't promise right now... if you find good info... I can do the paint whenever you find it....
Cheers,
G.
I must correct myself... ***
I see no markings in the lower wing undersurfaces... so it would probably have only main wing upper surfaces with insignia or any
codes....
addendum: just did a cursory search... and the picture you have is that of an Air-sea rescue conversion for the United States Army Air Forces (and later United States Air Force, OA-12A).
Actually, it is an old Duck painted to look like an OA-12A at the Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio.
The real OA-12 had a longer central pontoon float than the old USN and USAAC "Ducks"... so maybe you can find some other RESCUE version livery for the old Duck....
and opt for that one...
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In second and third link of my post Duck has its bottom photographed and on left wing undersurface there's USAF written and right one has USAF star, or i did not get something?
Anyway, have good trip to Germany and i probably should gather my will, kick lazyness away and do something myself for once, instead of boring people with my demands
gaucho_59
Charter Member
Sorry... never looked at those urls
Those pics are good enough... I try to do the repaint ASAP...
I'm sorry I never noticed you had 2 photos of the Dayton USAF museum bird...
it is quite enough to do it...
It is interesting that the first pic you had.. had no markings on the lower wing undersurfaces...
probably the USAF scheme had not been finished when they took the pic... the one hanging
does have the marking...
Cheers,
G.
Now I gotta find in my archives the model... I downloaded it but never flew it on
the sim.. or may be I have it in FS9.. gotta check...
Those pics are good enough... I try to do the repaint ASAP...
I'm sorry I never noticed you had 2 photos of the Dayton USAF museum bird...
it is quite enough to do it...
It is interesting that the first pic you had.. had no markings on the lower wing undersurfaces...
probably the USAF scheme had not been finished when they took the pic... the one hanging
does have the marking...
Cheers,
G.
Now I gotta find in my archives the model... I downloaded it but never flew it on
the sim.. or may be I have it in FS9.. gotta check...
gaucho_59
Charter Member
Bad news...
I started the paint job... and it got to a screeching halt... when it came to the
wings... THEY ARE MIRRORED.... (only one wing texture upper and lower... same on both sides)
So, unless you can get the B-24 Guy to do his magic... it can only be painted in
pre- and early WW2 schemes with all four stars in the wings....
No way that I know... (I am an artist... and don't know jack about 3D models...)
except demirrored textures can permit to have Star&Bars on one side and USAF on the other...
Pity... I was picking up steam and got a real nice doped fabric effect on silver... on the wing....
and the fin was coming out equally nice.... and realized the wings are just one texture...
A shame really... because this livery is very attractive...
Like I said... if you can get the B-24 Guy to do his magic... it should be no problem... as is... NO GO...
G.
I started the paint job... and it got to a screeching halt... when it came to the
wings... THEY ARE MIRRORED.... (only one wing texture upper and lower... same on both sides)
So, unless you can get the B-24 Guy to do his magic... it can only be painted in
pre- and early WW2 schemes with all four stars in the wings....
No way that I know... (I am an artist... and don't know jack about 3D models...)
except demirrored textures can permit to have Star&Bars on one side and USAF on the other...
Pity... I was picking up steam and got a real nice doped fabric effect on silver... on the wing....
and the fin was coming out equally nice.... and realized the wings are just one texture...
A shame really... because this livery is very attractive...
Like I said... if you can get the B-24 Guy to do his magic... it should be no problem... as is... NO GO...
G.
Its already done, updated V2 has normal, non mirrored wings
J2F5 http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?68678-FS9-Swingman-Grumman-J2F5-Duck-V2
and F2F6 http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?68679-FS9-Swingman-Grumman-J2F6-Duck-V2
gaucho_59
Charter Member
Good news then...
Hey... great news indeed... will proceed then...
I had the original and never heard of the demirrored one... being that I never
had to deal with a repaint on my own... just flew it a few times... and still had it on the
sim...
The work is now a simple repetition of textures... YOU ARE A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT
RESEARCHER than you gave yourself credit for...lol
G.
Hey... great news indeed... will proceed then...
I had the original and never heard of the demirrored one... being that I never
had to deal with a repaint on my own... just flew it a few times... and still had it on the
sim...
The work is now a simple repetition of textures... YOU ARE A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT
RESEARCHER than you gave yourself credit for...lol
G.
gaucho_59
Charter Member
One more little request....
I am at my wit's end... got the upper wing USAF situated... [there is a lot of reversed items... circles are OK.. but letters, etc. one
has to be very careful... or it's back to the drawing board..over and over...
but after a zillion tries... still can't figure where the lower surface of the Left lower wing is mapped... (once I know... trial and error
will take care of whether it is a straight image or reversed)
(that's where the USAF goes)... these folks did a wonderful job of de-mirroring the wings...but...
there are no labels on the texture... or its name... as to which one is which....
See if you can figure out which is the one... and consider the repaint done...
I just got tired of... changing one texture... go back to the sim... go back to PSP...etc.
wish people labeled things... it would make repainting less of an enigma...
G.
I am at my wit's end... got the upper wing USAF situated... [there is a lot of reversed items... circles are OK.. but letters, etc. one
has to be very careful... or it's back to the drawing board..over and over...
but after a zillion tries... still can't figure where the lower surface of the Left lower wing is mapped... (once I know... trial and error
will take care of whether it is a straight image or reversed)
(that's where the USAF goes)... these folks did a wonderful job of de-mirroring the wings...but...
there are no labels on the texture... or its name... as to which one is which....
See if you can figure out which is the one... and consider the repaint done...
I just got tired of... changing one texture... go back to the sim... go back to PSP...etc.
wish people labeled things... it would make repainting less of an enigma...
G.
Hi, lower left wing is on upper part of wt1.bmp, its a bit ackward, but this way compactability with v1 textures was preserved (though i only found single French Army paint by Mr. [SIZE=-1]Delizee[/SIZE])
Looks good to me!
gaucho_59
Charter Member
Finished the Lancer panel above...
I am finished with it...
The first pic is the panel with gun sight incorporated
The second is the panel without the gun sight
and the third I the gun sight that can be added as a pop-up... "now you see it-now you don't"
It will be posted by Beepee eventually so anyone interested can download it then rather
than PM me....
As to the VC... and the pic measurements... etc. I'll work on that next...
Cheers,
G.
I am finished with it...
The first pic is the panel with gun sight incorporated
The second is the panel without the gun sight
and the third I the gun sight that can be added as a pop-up... "now you see it-now you don't"
It will be posted by Beepee eventually so anyone interested can download it then rather
than PM me....
As to the VC... and the pic measurements... etc. I'll work on that next...
Cheers,
G.
gaucho_59
Charter Member
Sorry... it was not Uncle Tgt.... who was it that requested
this texture???
I had to empty my PM box and accidentally erased all my PMs...
Whoever was that asked for a bombardier position to go with the Lo 45 panel,
please let me know.... so I can email it to you...
It is my fault for poor "book keeping"... and "throwing away the water with the
baby" so to speak....
was it maybe Shessi??? Please let me know
Cheers,
G.
this texture???
I had to empty my PM box and accidentally erased all my PMs...
Whoever was that asked for a bombardier position to go with the Lo 45 panel,
please let me know.... so I can email it to you...
It is my fault for poor "book keeping"... and "throwing away the water with the
baby" so to speak....
was it maybe Shessi??? Please let me know
Cheers,
G.
gaucho_59
Charter Member
Solve one problem...another crops up
This is a real Russian doozy.... basically a mapping nightmare....
finally got the tail fin interpreted... it is upside down!!!!
Now... if you can solve this one... we'll name you honorary Sherlock Holmes...
To wit:
Obviously this guy only planned on single color repaints... textures overlap...
but it never shows where... Trial and error is the slowest learning curve
known to man!!!!!!
can't wait for the next mapping problem.... this craft is a real challenge!!!!
Two things in my wish list.... authors who THINK before they map and, also,
who LABEL things accurately... But I guess the price is right... I say to
myself... Like de Caprio in that diamonds film.... TIA (this is Africa) in our
case is TIF (and I don't mean transfer protocol... rather This Is Freeware...
This is a real Russian doozy.... basically a mapping nightmare....
finally got the tail fin interpreted... it is upside down!!!!
Now... if you can solve this one... we'll name you honorary Sherlock Holmes...
To wit:
Obviously this guy only planned on single color repaints... textures overlap...
but it never shows where... Trial and error is the slowest learning curve
known to man!!!!!!
can't wait for the next mapping problem.... this craft is a real challenge!!!!
Two things in my wish list.... authors who THINK before they map and, also,
who LABEL things accurately... But I guess the price is right... I say to
myself... Like de Caprio in that diamonds film.... TIA (this is Africa) in our
case is TIF (and I don't mean transfer protocol... rather This Is Freeware...
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gaucho_59
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I am afraid I am wasting my time with this repaint...
Tried to do the yellow and black wingtips... and look what happens....
this is a mapping disaster that has no solution... textures are repeated...
which is OK with a single color scheme... but when it comes to something like
the scheme you want... it is insurmountable... the wing tips are repeated at
the wing roots... the thing speaks for itself...
If you can figure out how to solve it... I can do the paint for you... I got the
skills to produce it artistically... but just don't know how to fix these mapping issues...
the rescue yellow texture showing up at the roots of the elevators????
Frankly, the scheme is really interesting.. but on another model... I think I got an
older one by some French guy... not as good as Swingman's... but it might be amenable
to the scheme... right now... I got too many real life things to solve for my departure
to Germany.... so it is going to have to wait...
You can't say I didn't try...
I think Swingman could do a revision of the model's mdl or whatever to obviate these issues....
cheers,
G.
MAYBE I SPOKE TOO SOON! (red face).... the problem was my omission... in a hurry... I forgot
that the middle part of the texture is the obverse and thus inverted... SO MAYBE THIS CAN BE
SURMOUNTED... more after some testing of the redone-redone wing texture...
There are still issues to be solved though... more later
Tried to do the yellow and black wingtips... and look what happens....
this is a mapping disaster that has no solution... textures are repeated...
which is OK with a single color scheme... but when it comes to something like
the scheme you want... it is insurmountable... the wing tips are repeated at
the wing roots... the thing speaks for itself...
If you can figure out how to solve it... I can do the paint for you... I got the
skills to produce it artistically... but just don't know how to fix these mapping issues...
the rescue yellow texture showing up at the roots of the elevators????
Frankly, the scheme is really interesting.. but on another model... I think I got an
older one by some French guy... not as good as Swingman's... but it might be amenable
to the scheme... right now... I got too many real life things to solve for my departure
to Germany.... so it is going to have to wait...
You can't say I didn't try...
I think Swingman could do a revision of the model's mdl or whatever to obviate these issues....
cheers,
G.
MAYBE I SPOKE TOO SOON! (red face).... the problem was my omission... in a hurry... I forgot
that the middle part of the texture is the obverse and thus inverted... SO MAYBE THIS CAN BE
SURMOUNTED... more after some testing of the redone-redone wing texture...
There are still issues to be solved though... more later
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