P-47 Progress Thread
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Building your own PC is no harder than plugging bits together, I’ve done it twice now and for a 4 or 5 year old rig it still motors along. The biggest improvement over older machines is swapping an hdd for a solid state drive - a machine which previously took nearly a minute to boot is ready in 12s and other disk-intensive things are much, much faster than before. That’s the biggest reduction in bottleneck these days, not processor speed or motherboard/gpu fanciness.
Frosty
SOH-CM-2022
Just a little update and Christmas teaser 
:
As mentioned before, some skins choosen aren't D-30 and D-40 aircraft (that I initially had planned to model). In the past weeks/months since my PC trouble (solved by installing a new HD that, if needed, can also be used in a new PC), I dug into these other P-47D variants: The 3D models will eventually depict the D-25 through D-40 and will include original early models and some retrofitted with a fin fillet, and will show various bare metal and painted/camouflaged examples.
While the conversion from the -30/-40 external model to early bubbletop versions mainly consists of relocating the landing light (done, except for the riveting) and a change from a Curtiss to a Hamilton prop (anyone got good info on the HS blade profile?), they were also still equipped with the original ailerons - as opposed to the blunt ailerons that came with the -30/-40 models. Redoing the ailerons is one of the things I am not looking forward to. But most of my time goes into studying blueprints to find the cockpit differences between these variants; There differed in type of rudder pedals, instrumentation, type of rearview mirror, cockpit flooring, miscellaneous equipment etc. This invariably leads to regretting earlier texturing decisions, as I would have liked to keep the number of sheets down; Having the model differences on the same sheets would have accomplished that but it has already been such a puzzle to make everything fit. The reason things don't progress readily, is that I keep postponing certain decisions and the extensive reworkings of certain parts...
So sometimes I need a little diversion and I spent some time on one of the skins, such as this WIP of a filletless D-25 that could be found in the skies over the continent in June 1944 (alas still with a Curtiss prop) :
Happy Holidays!!
:As mentioned before, some skins choosen aren't D-30 and D-40 aircraft (that I initially had planned to model). In the past weeks/months since my PC trouble (solved by installing a new HD that, if needed, can also be used in a new PC), I dug into these other P-47D variants: The 3D models will eventually depict the D-25 through D-40 and will include original early models and some retrofitted with a fin fillet, and will show various bare metal and painted/camouflaged examples.
While the conversion from the -30/-40 external model to early bubbletop versions mainly consists of relocating the landing light (done, except for the riveting) and a change from a Curtiss to a Hamilton prop (anyone got good info on the HS blade profile?), they were also still equipped with the original ailerons - as opposed to the blunt ailerons that came with the -30/-40 models. Redoing the ailerons is one of the things I am not looking forward to. But most of my time goes into studying blueprints to find the cockpit differences between these variants; There differed in type of rudder pedals, instrumentation, type of rearview mirror, cockpit flooring, miscellaneous equipment etc. This invariably leads to regretting earlier texturing decisions, as I would have liked to keep the number of sheets down; Having the model differences on the same sheets would have accomplished that but it has already been such a puzzle to make everything fit. The reason things don't progress readily, is that I keep postponing certain decisions and the extensive reworkings of certain parts...
So sometimes I need a little diversion and I spent some time on one of the skins, such as this WIP of a filletless D-25 that could be found in the skies over the continent in June 1944 (alas still with a Curtiss prop) :
Happy Holidays!!
sixstrings5859
Charter Member
Beautiful ! Thank you for the exacting research and hard work for us CFS3 fans. Greatly looking forward to these excellent models of my favorite WW II aircraft . Thanks again,and hang in there ! Regards, Scott
sixstrings5859
Charter Member
Excellent detail ! So looking forward to this P-47 series you are doing. Keep hanging in there bro ! Doing a fine job ! Regards,Scott
mongoose
SOH-CM-2023
Well you could always buy some!
https://www.aviationart.com/product...avenger-f6f-hellcat-republic-p-47-thunderboltmaybe something here
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Hamilton+Standard+6507A-0
gecko
Charter Member
Clearly what Joost really needs is an actual airworthy P-47D-25-RE at his disposal. Only then can he truly accurately model every detail. Haven't seen one on trade-a-plane lately, but if we crowdfund it (and the gas bill), I'll take one for the team and deliver it to him personally.
Seriously though, yet another beautifully detailed part of what is shaping up to be a truly awesome model. Good work!
Seriously though, yet another beautifully detailed part of what is shaping up to be a truly awesome model. Good work!
Frosty
SOH-CM-2022
Well you could always buy some!
maybe something here
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Hamilton+Standard+6507A-0
Thanks James, that is actually helpful!!
I hadn't searched much by blade number. At least that auction side mentions the max. width of the blade and the piccies show that it isn't as symmetrical as the crappy sketch I used, would lead me to believe. Maybe a slight adjustment is in order... Clearly what Joost really needs is an actual airworthy P-47D-25-RE at his disposal. Only then can he truly accurately model every detail. Haven't seen one on trade-a-plane lately, but if we crowdfund it (and the gas bill), I'll take one for the team and deliver it to him personally.
Seriously though, yet another beautifully detailed part of what is shaping up to be a truly awesome model. Good work!
While you're at it, could you also deliver a -26, -27, -28, -30 and perhaps a -40 if it's not too much trouble? Although the differences are mostly minor, I really can't promise accurate work without them. When I am done, I am willing to lend you one - but only on Sundays
According to Google there are just 4 airworthy, flying P-47s in the world. It's not enough, I say!
For once Google is NOT your friend. According to Wikipedia there are currently 14 airworthy P-47s, 1 here at Duxford in the UK and 13 at various locations around the States. Still not enough, but not too shabby.
Frosty
SOH-CM-2022
OK people,
I did some additional searching on props and found the site/blog of a guy who's much more precise than I am in his modelling and even he complained about the lack of info on propeller blades. He says that Hamilton still regards that as proprietary information. So no joy obtaining any blade profiles. I therefore used the less accurate but proven technique of tracing one of the photos in James' link. It gives a reasonable idea of the blade shape/outline, except for its twist - so that's all fantasy. Below are the blades based on the photo of a real 6507A blade and my earlier attempt using the sketchy drawing mentioned earlier. The 'photo' blades are not as symmetric as those based on the sketch and though I don't dislike my first attempt, I think I'll use those from the photo. But feel free to comment!
I did some additional searching on props and found the site/blog of a guy who's much more precise than I am in his modelling and even he complained about the lack of info on propeller blades. He says that Hamilton still regards that as proprietary information. So no joy obtaining any blade profiles. I therefore used the less accurate but proven technique of tracing one of the photos in James' link. It gives a reasonable idea of the blade shape/outline, except for its twist - so that's all fantasy
. Below are the blades based on the photo of a real 6507A blade and my earlier attempt using the sketchy drawing mentioned earlier. The 'photo' blades are not as symmetric as those based on the sketch and though I don't dislike my first attempt, I think I'll use those from the photo. But feel free to comment!Attachments
Frosty
SOH-CM-2022
Yep, that's one of the photos I used - I take it that's a vote for the prop on the left?
gecko
Charter Member
While you're at it, could you also deliver a -26, -27, -28, -30 and perhaps a -40 if it's not too much trouble? Although the differences are mostly minor, I really can't promise accurate work without them. When I am done, I am willing to lend you one - but only on Sundays
Sounds reasonable to me. I'll keep my eye out for an M-1 too. And a D-1, -2, -5, -10, -15, -20, -23, -24, C-1, -2 -5 etc....
Prop
Have you tried
Aircraft of World War II - WW2Aircraft.net Forums Never had a question go without an answer. I found several threads about the prop on P47s. Don't know if they are what you need but....
Have you tried
Aircraft of World War II - WW2Aircraft.net Forums Never had a question go without an answer. I found several threads about the prop on P47s. Don't know if they are what you need but....
Frosty
SOH-CM-2022
Thanks Ted,
I lurk there regularly (encountering your name every now and then
) and I think I have read most threads on P-47 props. A lot of my info comes from that website!
Frosty
SOH-CM-2022
Sounds reasonable to me. I'll keep my eye out for an M-1 too. And a D-1, -2, -5, -10, -15, -20, -23, -24, C-1, -2 -5 etc....
You're a decent fellow indeed!! While doing so, I am not keeping you from any other stuff, am I?
(I still have to see if I can get your latest - well, maybe not so latest by now - thingie to work but I am up to my neck in P-47 stuff. With the new HD, I had to reinstall some stuff so maybe it does work this time...)