Project Dornier Do-17z2
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hello Stephan,
i know you're busy, but,
would you do me a favor?
please, zip and attach a copy
of your current panel.bmp,
a copy of the current panel.cfg
and a photo of a Do17 panel.
i've got a hankering to play
with some gauge alignment.
axis gauges, of course.
thanks in advance
i know you're busy, but,
would you do me a favor?
please, zip and attach a copy
of your current panel.bmp,
a copy of the current panel.cfg
and a photo of a Do17 panel.
i've got a hankering to play
with some gauge alignment.
axis gauges, of course.
thanks in advance
aleatorylamp
Charter Member
Simple Do-17 panel
Hello Smilo,
Yes of course! Here it is: The panel folder with ALL its contents.
Attached are 2 photos of the cabin interior. Although they refer to the older Do-17e used in the Spanish Civil War, they give an idea of what the cabin looks like.
Thanks indeed for your collaboration!
Ooops! I just saw you had posted the AP gauge - thanks! It´s early in the morning... I´ve just got up and hadn´t noticed.
This kind of attachment has to be zipped - no problem.
The new AP gauge is really cool - I like it. Much more fitting!
Update:
I changed all the gauges except for the engine ones for Bf109 and FS190 gauges, and they look much better, of course.
I also changed the Throttle bitmap to the wording on the FW190 thrust lever bitmap, and the Brake handle bitmap to read "Bremse".
Here is the new attachment with axis gauges and German wording on the throttles. The panel bitmaps are also corrected - I have rubbed out the autopilot panel at the top. Here´s a screenshot too!
...and the German twin throttle gauge itself... Tell me if anything is amiss!
Note: Don´t forget to pull down the view window with the mouse so that the bottom of the panel bitmap shows the ground - it would immitate the front glazing seen from the inside cockpit looking a bit downwards under the instrument panel.
The panel is a bit simple and there´s room for improvement - including the instrument distribution, but it´s a start...
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
Hello Smilo,
Yes of course! Here it is: The panel folder with ALL its contents.
Attached are 2 photos of the cabin interior. Although they refer to the older Do-17e used in the Spanish Civil War, they give an idea of what the cabin looks like.
Thanks indeed for your collaboration!
Ooops! I just saw you had posted the AP gauge - thanks! It´s early in the morning... I´ve just got up and hadn´t noticed.
This kind of attachment has to be zipped - no problem.
The new AP gauge is really cool - I like it. Much more fitting!
Update:
I changed all the gauges except for the engine ones for Bf109 and FS190 gauges, and they look much better, of course.
I also changed the Throttle bitmap to the wording on the FW190 thrust lever bitmap, and the Brake handle bitmap to read "Bremse".
Here is the new attachment with axis gauges and German wording on the throttles. The panel bitmaps are also corrected - I have rubbed out the autopilot panel at the top. Here´s a screenshot too!
...and the German twin throttle gauge itself... Tell me if anything is amiss!
Note: Don´t forget to pull down the view window with the mouse so that the bottom of the panel bitmap shows the ground - it would immitate the front glazing seen from the inside cockpit looking a bit downwards under the instrument panel.
The panel is a bit simple and there´s room for improvement - including the instrument distribution, but it´s a start...
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
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it's kinda funny, Stephan,
your getting up about the time
i'm going to bed.
i usually get up in the middle of the night.
(the old man bladder, thing)
am up for a couple hours,
then, back to bed.
for a few more hours of sleep.
ahh, the joys of retirement.
thanks for zipping things up.
i'll have a look later.
about the black bottom,
scroll to the bottom of the panel.cfg
change
SIZE_Y=5000 to
SIZE_Y=6144 and save
6144 is the highest you can go.
any higher will result in CFS Module Error.
also notice that changing this number,
changes the gunsite elevation.
i hope your day goes well
your getting up about the time
i'm going to bed.
i usually get up in the middle of the night.
(the old man bladder, thing)
am up for a couple hours,
then, back to bed.
for a few more hours of sleep.
ahh, the joys of retirement.
thanks for zipping things up.
i'll have a look later.
about the black bottom,
scroll to the bottom of the panel.cfg
change
SIZE_Y=5000 to
SIZE_Y=6144 and save
6144 is the highest you can go.
any higher will result in CFS Module Error.
also notice that changing this number,
changes the gunsite elevation.
i hope your day goes well
aleatorylamp
Charter Member
Hello Smilo,
Thanks for the tip on adjusting the window - it did the trick!
The joys of retirement indeed! I´ve retired recently too. It´s great! Other people I know who don´t have hobbies here really suffer when the machine stops.
Just to keep a little discipline, I´ve kept one hour or two from Mondays to Thrusdays with private English or German classes.
The rest is airplanes! - apart from cleaning, shopping and cooking during the week.
I suppose I have to justify my existence somehow, otherwise I´ll get a revolution in the house.
My wife and 2 girls are busy at school all morning, and the house cannot turn into a disaster area!!
Now it´s time to help in the kitchen for lunch and I´ll continue later.
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
Thanks for the tip on adjusting the window - it did the trick!
The joys of retirement indeed! I´ve retired recently too. It´s great! Other people I know who don´t have hobbies here really suffer when the machine stops.
Just to keep a little discipline, I´ve kept one hour or two from Mondays to Thrusdays with private English or German classes.
The rest is airplanes! - apart from cleaning, shopping and cooking during the week.
I suppose I have to justify my existence somehow, otherwise I´ll get a revolution in the house.
My wife and 2 girls are busy at school all morning, and the house cannot turn into a disaster area!!
Now it´s time to help in the kitchen for lunch and I´ll continue later.
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
Hello Aleatorylamp, Smilo,
I hope you guys realise that the cockpit photographs that you have attached are not of a Dornier 17Z.
The features to note are the Starboard side cheek windows and the lack of a central brace in the nose window.
They are of a much earlier Dornier 17.
I can probably figure out the model if you really want to know which one.
I wish I knew as much about panel setups as you do, Smilo.
That is the current hang up with my BV 141B model.
There is no doubt that I can create another pop-up auxiliary panel, but I have no idea what most of the panel parameters mean.
Need to do a lot of reading.....
If you want, I will look for a good image of a Dornier 17Z panel.
- Ivan.
I hope you guys realise that the cockpit photographs that you have attached are not of a Dornier 17Z.
The features to note are the Starboard side cheek windows and the lack of a central brace in the nose window.
They are of a much earlier Dornier 17.
I can probably figure out the model if you really want to know which one.
I wish I knew as much about panel setups as you do, Smilo.
That is the current hang up with my BV 141B model.
There is no doubt that I can create another pop-up auxiliary panel, but I have no idea what most of the panel parameters mean.
Need to do a lot of reading.....
If you want, I will look for a good image of a Dornier 17Z panel.
- Ivan.
aleatorylamp
Charter Member
Hello Ivan,
Thanks for the info - I couldn´t find a Do17-z2 cockpit pic. The 2 pics I found claimed to be from a Spanish Civil War Do17-E, but that seems wrong too!
I´m still looking, so if you happen to find a good pic, do let us know!
Anyway, I´m only aiming for a practical panel, similar enough to the real one to provide a bit of feeling or ambience.
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
Thanks for the info - I couldn´t find a Do17-z2 cockpit pic. The 2 pics I found claimed to be from a Spanish Civil War Do17-E, but that seems wrong too!
I´m still looking, so if you happen to find a good pic, do let us know!
Anyway, I´m only aiming for a practical panel, similar enough to the real one to provide a bit of feeling or ambience.
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
for starters, thank you Ivan
for the compliment. BUT,
you need to know,
i'm not as informed as you might think.
true, i've spent a lot of time dinking with panels,
but, i've forgotten more than i remember.
i did make some notes after panel entries,
but, i will need to find them.
all i can say is, if you have a question,
please ask. what's the worse thing that can happen?
who knows, i might have or can find the answer.
yes, i noticed the lack of center brace
in the original screen shot, but, let it go.
at this point, my main photo interest
is in gauge placement.
i prefer the standard,
centered six gauge set up,
but, the standard was not implemented
until after WWII, so the question,
as always, arises, historical accuracy,
or, ease of personal flying?
i prefer ease of flying.
here's a thought, if someone has cfs2 installed,
download the model Rami posted the screen shot of
and have a look at its panel.
you don't have to copy it verbatim,
but, there might be an idea or two to be had.
for the compliment. BUT,
you need to know,
i'm not as informed as you might think.
true, i've spent a lot of time dinking with panels,
but, i've forgotten more than i remember.
i did make some notes after panel entries,
but, i will need to find them.
all i can say is, if you have a question,
please ask. what's the worse thing that can happen?
who knows, i might have or can find the answer.
yes, i noticed the lack of center brace
in the original screen shot, but, let it go.
at this point, my main photo interest
is in gauge placement.
i prefer the standard,
centered six gauge set up,
but, the standard was not implemented
until after WWII, so the question,
as always, arises, historical accuracy,
or, ease of personal flying?
i prefer ease of flying.
here's a thought, if someone has cfs2 installed,
download the model Rami posted the screen shot of
and have a look at its panel.
you don't have to copy it verbatim,
but, there might be an idea or two to be had.
Dornier 215 Panel
Hello Smilo, Aleatorylamp,
Here is a Dornier 215 control panel.
I believe it should be pretty close but there is the issue that the 215 would have coolant temperature gauges instead of cylinder head temperature.
Other than that, the appearance I believe is good enough.
I am still looking but have not found the Do 17Z panel yet.
Still many places to look.
- Ivan.
Hello Smilo, Aleatorylamp,
Here is a Dornier 215 control panel.
I believe it should be pretty close but there is the issue that the 215 would have coolant temperature gauges instead of cylinder head temperature.
Other than that, the appearance I believe is good enough.
I am still looking but have not found the Do 17Z panel yet.
Still many places to look.
- Ivan.
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aleatorylamp
Charter Member
Hello Ivan,
Thanks! You are a fountain of information, I must say.
It looks very close to the Do17-z2 cockpit - they don´t appear to have changed much in there to make the Do215.
Its pouring down today, but we have no potatoes, so it´s off to the farmer´s market now, but I hope to do some work on the Schnellbomber this afternoon!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
Thanks! You are a fountain of information, I must say.
It looks very close to the Do17-z2 cockpit - they don´t appear to have changed much in there to make the Do215.
Its pouring down today, but we have no potatoes, so it´s off to the farmer´s market now, but I hope to do some work on the Schnellbomber this afternoon!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
aleatorylamp
Charter Member
Do17-z2 V8 model
Hello Smilo, hello Ivan,
So here´s an updated Dornier Schnellbomber Model!
-I was panelling more than just the control surfaces, but I had the feeling it was excessive, so I´ve left it at only the control surfaces. Then I was adjusting vertices (again) and I think it has improved.
-The T-ka´s on the fins are higher, thicker and more centered as Smilo had suggested.
-The .air file now has 0.25 in the elevator trim, and it should be easier to trim.
-The model now has prop blurs, whose animation settings are adjusted as per Ivan´s suggestions from an old thread pointed out a few days ago.
-Parts count is at 148.5% without any issues.
-The panel is the last one I made, with axis guages and the .zip also contains the German version of the twin-engine thrust lever guage.
Improvement suggestions will as always be very welcome indeed!
Enjoy!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
Hello Smilo, hello Ivan,
So here´s an updated Dornier Schnellbomber Model!
-I was panelling more than just the control surfaces, but I had the feeling it was excessive, so I´ve left it at only the control surfaces. Then I was adjusting vertices (again) and I think it has improved.
-The T-ka´s on the fins are higher, thicker and more centered as Smilo had suggested.
-The .air file now has 0.25 in the elevator trim, and it should be easier to trim.
-The model now has prop blurs, whose animation settings are adjusted as per Ivan´s suggestions from an old thread pointed out a few days ago.
-Parts count is at 148.5% without any issues.
-The panel is the last one I made, with axis guages and the .zip also contains the German version of the twin-engine thrust lever guage.
Improvement suggestions will as always be very welcome indeed!
Enjoy!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
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my...you have been busy.
i will install it shortly.
my panel progress(?) report;
spent several hours yesterday
aligning gauges, but am still not satisfied.
while looking in my aircraft folder,
i saw a ju88 panel that looked very good
and may be acceptable with a few modifications.
then, i decided to search for a panel package
i had downloaded long ago...found it,
but, nothing there that will work for us.
i also found a couple Panel tutorials
that may be helpful for those of interest.
okay, back to the Do17...i decided to follow
my own advice and downloaded the cfs2 Do17.
the panel bmp looks very good, but,
needs to be converted to 256 colors.
i'm hoping someone knows how to do that.
of course, it it's decided to use this panel,
permission must be gotten from the author.
that's it for now,
back to the salt mine
i will install it shortly.
my panel progress(?) report;
spent several hours yesterday
aligning gauges, but am still not satisfied.
while looking in my aircraft folder,
i saw a ju88 panel that looked very good
and may be acceptable with a few modifications.
then, i decided to search for a panel package
i had downloaded long ago...found it,
but, nothing there that will work for us.
i also found a couple Panel tutorials
that may be helpful for those of interest.
okay, back to the Do17...i decided to follow
my own advice and downloaded the cfs2 Do17.
the panel bmp looks very good, but,
needs to be converted to 256 colors.
i'm hoping someone knows how to do that.
of course, it it's decided to use this panel,
permission must be gotten from the author.
that's it for now,
back to the salt mine
aleatorylamp
Charter Member
Hello Smilo,
I´m looking forward to seeing the new panel! We aren´t pressed for time, you know that, so there´s no hurry.
I still have to SCASM the virtual cockpit and then see how I can eliminate the engine nacelle bleeds through the floor from the interior view, and that´s also SCASM.
At the moment, I´m also busy
investigating the Ad2k tutorials, with the complicated sequencing, so there´s really no hurry.
And, let´s hope Ivan can refurbish his development machine conveniently!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
I´m looking forward to seeing the new panel! We aren´t pressed for time, you know that, so there´s no hurry.
I still have to SCASM the virtual cockpit and then see how I can eliminate the engine nacelle bleeds through the floor from the interior view, and that´s also SCASM.
At the moment, I´m also busy
investigating the Ad2k tutorials, with the complicated sequencing, so there´s really no hurry.And, let´s hope Ivan can refurbish his development machine conveniently!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
minor update, i found a very cool looking
Sperry MIII auto pilot. problem is,
i haven't figured out how it works.
oh snap!!!
i just clicked on some text on the gauge,
lo and behold, a help document popped up.
apparently, it was built to hold heading and attitude,
not to turn automatically to the desired heading.
stay tuned...i'll see if we can use this gauge.
Sperry MIII auto pilot. problem is,
i haven't figured out how it works.
oh snap!!!
i just clicked on some text on the gauge,
lo and behold, a help document popped up.
apparently, it was built to hold heading and attitude,
not to turn automatically to the desired heading.
stay tuned...i'll see if we can use this gauge.
Hello Smilo, Aleatorylamp,
Thanks for the check for general Panel Tutorials.
As usual, I am going in too many directions. Am working on Texturing, Gauge, and Propeller issues......
It seems like each has hit a dead end except for texturing and that is just tedious to do.
Isn't it always the case that we are good at finding things that we don't really need and not able to find the things we need?
- Ivan.
Thanks for the check for general Panel Tutorials.
As usual, I am going in too many directions. Am working on Texturing, Gauge, and Propeller issues......
It seems like each has hit a dead end except for texturing and that is just tedious to do.
Isn't it always the case that we are good at finding things that we don't really need and not able to find the things we need?
- Ivan.
that, sir, is the story of my life.
i could go into a long winded dissertation
on the trials and tribulations
of the never ending search,
but, i don't want to bore you.
another day has evaporated
while i've been siting in this chair.
yes, i did get up a few times,
but, the minutes turned to hours
long before i realized they had passed.
time flies when your having fun.
here's a little sampler
of what i've been up to;
i could go into a long winded dissertation
on the trials and tribulations
of the never ending search,
but, i don't want to bore you.
another day has evaporated
while i've been siting in this chair.
yes, i did get up a few times,
but, the minutes turned to hours
long before i realized they had passed.
time flies when your having fun.
here's a little sampler
of what i've been up to;
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aleatorylamp
Charter Member
That looks very enticing indeed, Smilo!
Aleatorylamp
Aleatorylamp
there are some issues...
since all but five of the gauges are stock,
they are all for single engine aircraft.
basically, making half of them just eye candy.
i never got into gauge programing,
so, consequently, am unable to make
a new set of functioning #2 gauges.
i may have multi engine gauges somewhere,
but, am not sure you want to include
a big extra gauges folder with the model.
i'm also pretty sure i don't have a big selection of german gauges.
i'll start working on the pop up windows shortly.
auto pilot, radios, bomb aimer, and so on.
is there anything specific you want to see?
one more issue...
there seems to be something
amiss with the auto pilot.
when ap altitude is engaged,
instead of remaining stable,
the aircraft altitude fluctuates.
sorry, at this point, i can't give more information.
i'm sure it's some setting in the air file,
because the auto pilot works fine on other aircraft.
i'd try to fix it myself,
but, i'm not an air file tweaking kinda guy.
since all but five of the gauges are stock,
they are all for single engine aircraft.
basically, making half of them just eye candy.
i never got into gauge programing,
so, consequently, am unable to make
a new set of functioning #2 gauges.
i may have multi engine gauges somewhere,
but, am not sure you want to include
a big extra gauges folder with the model.
i'm also pretty sure i don't have a big selection of german gauges.
i'll start working on the pop up windows shortly.
auto pilot, radios, bomb aimer, and so on.
is there anything specific you want to see?
one more issue...
there seems to be something
amiss with the auto pilot.
when ap altitude is engaged,
instead of remaining stable,
the aircraft altitude fluctuates.
sorry, at this point, i can't give more information.
i'm sure it's some setting in the air file,
because the auto pilot works fine on other aircraft.
i'd try to fix it myself,
but, i'm not an air file tweaking kinda guy.
aleatorylamp
Charter Member
Hello Smilo,
...That´s why I use mostly default FSFS engine-gauges for multi-engined aircraft (RPM, CHT, oil and water temp, etc.), even if they do look a bit modern.
The fluctuating in the autopilot, on one side, has to do with the elevator trim parameter in the .air file, and it´s more difficult to get it right in CFS than in FS98.
At the moment it´s at 0.25, and it was at 0.5 before. I don´t really know what value´s best.
Maybe it is also affected by having the tailplane incidence at non-zero.
Perhaps Ivan can explain better how to counteract this porpoising in the AP.
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
...That´s why I use mostly default FSFS engine-gauges for multi-engined aircraft (RPM, CHT, oil and water temp, etc.), even if they do look a bit modern.
The fluctuating in the autopilot, on one side, has to do with the elevator trim parameter in the .air file, and it´s more difficult to get it right in CFS than in FS98.
At the moment it´s at 0.25, and it was at 0.5 before. I don´t really know what value´s best.
Maybe it is also affected by having the tailplane incidence at non-zero.
Perhaps Ivan can explain better how to counteract this porpoising in the AP.
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp