SOH Team Project - Grumman Tracker, Trader, Tracer
- Thread starter Milton Shupe
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SD,
I hope to have at the military one out Monday. There are some problems with the retardant effects that I need to sort through in FSX. The effects work okay but the weight and retardant do not empty from the tanks as the programming works differently in FSX. That is one holdup for now.
Additionally, we are working to improve some textures on the FSX side and that may take a couple days.
assassinezzio
Charter Member
A massive thank you to all concerned in this project, looks and sounds amazing!:salute:
Allen
Allen
gaucho_59
Charter Member
ARA 25 de Mayo!
The name ARA (Armada Argentina) 21 de Mayo would be akin to call some historical name in the US like the "4th of July" the 2nd or 3rd of July
Fortunately, though it is a glaring error demonstrating total lack of historical knowledge, it is an easy enough one to correct...
Please, change 21 de Mayo to read 25 de MAYO on the tail stenciling!
Uploading the Military variant now with two excellent paint schemes by Dave Stewart.
It's the S2T textures and Rachel's panel work that really sets these turbo units apart.
Thank you Rachel.
Nigel's sounds were done especially for these units. Thank you Nigel
EDIT: Awaiting approval for this to work: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?catid=6&linkid=17659
EDIT2: APPROVED and READY to Download
The name ARA (Armada Argentina) 21 de Mayo would be akin to call some historical name in the US like the "4th of July" the 2nd or 3rd of July
Fortunately, though it is a glaring error demonstrating total lack of historical knowledge, it is an easy enough one to correct...
Please, change 21 de Mayo to read 25 de MAYO on the tail stenciling!
Firekitten
Charter Member 2016
Glaring huh?
May 25 was the final day of the May Revolution, but the individual days hold equal significance... as does the 21st as a significant turning point.
Fact is, if you look at that photograph, it clearly shows '21 de Mayo' on the tail. NOT the 25th. Each aircraft in that squadron is marked with a different date within the revolutionary war... Want to tell them they're wrong?
Do some research before you accuse people of glaring errors demonstrating total lack of historical knowledge.
Just uploaded the Grumman Turbo Tracker civilian CONAIR version with PT6A engines, awaiting approval.
This replaces the earlier shared WIP version from last weekend.
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?catid=6&linkid=17662
Thanks to Marcel Ritzema for this awesome texture.
EDIT: APPROVED and READY to Download
In this quote above and in the readme and Credits text, I mistakenly credited the wrong person for this paint scheme. Martial "Ferondoe" FERON is the copyright holder and artist who blessed us with these beautiful textures. My apologies to Marty for my mistake. Man, getting old is not for "sissies".
Marty, please forgive me. I have corrected the two uploads in the descriptions but will need to update the archives. I will do this after any issues arise that need to be corrected.
gaucho_59
Charter Member
My apologies...
2,550 perdones porteños ... no te me calentes..... simpatico "gringuito"...
I was not aware that each aircraft had different stenciling... as you can see from this picture the name of the ship is to commemorate
the 25th of May date... and I thought wrong...
But don't be defensive... there was no intention of "accusing"... just to clarify....
I have seen other pics with the ARA 25th of May stenciling...
Lighten up Jack!
Glaring huh?
May 25 was the final day of the May Revolution, but the individual days hold equal significance... as does the 21st as a significant turning point.
Fact is, if you look at that photograph, it clearly shows '21 de Mayo' on the tail. NOT the 25th. Each aircraft in that squadron is marked with a different date within the revolutionary war... Want to tell them they're wrong?
Do some research before you accuse people of glaring errors demonstrating total lack of historical knowledge.
2,550 perdones porteños ... no te me calentes..... simpatico "gringuito"...
I was not aware that each aircraft had different stenciling... as you can see from this picture the name of the ship is to commemorate
the 25th of May date... and I thought wrong...
But don't be defensive... there was no intention of "accusing"... just to clarify....
I have seen other pics with the ARA 25th of May stenciling...
Lighten up Jack!
gaucho_59
Charter Member
Request...
In the photo you posted... the aircraft number is clearly 21... but the stenciling on the vertical stabilizer is not very clear...
Can you post a picture that clearly shows the stenciling ARA 21 de Mayo?
As a good boy (76 year old porteño from the past) I am doing my research as you so kindly suggested to respond in erudite kind... From my earliest recollections in life.. ARA Comodoro Rivadavia,etc, for example,
was the designation for the ship... so I am extremely curious now to know... why they used ARA 21 de Mayo...in the tail codes [I don't think Argentina ever had a ship by that name...] being that said tail fin
markings are fairly standardized and show the name of the mother ship... in, for example, the US NAVY and other navies.
We say in Spanish... "De la discusion nace la luz" (e.g. From discussion surges the light) So, truly imbued with a desire for knowledge... I want to get to the bottom of this...
Humbly,
gaucho_59
In this quote above and in the readme and Credits text, I mistakenly credited the wrong person for this paint scheme. Martial "Ferondoe" FERON is the copyright holder and artist who blessed us with these beautiful textures. My apologies to Marty for my mistake. Man, getting old is not for "sissies".
Marty, please forgive me. I have corrected the two uploads in the descriptions but will need to update the archives. I will do this after any issues arise that need to be corrected.
In the photo you posted... the aircraft number is clearly 21... but the stenciling on the vertical stabilizer is not very clear...
Can you post a picture that clearly shows the stenciling ARA 21 de Mayo?
As a good boy (76 year old porteño from the past) I am doing my research as you so kindly suggested to respond in erudite kind... From my earliest recollections in life.. ARA Comodoro Rivadavia,etc, for example,
was the designation for the ship... so I am extremely curious now to know... why they used ARA 21 de Mayo...in the tail codes [I don't think Argentina ever had a ship by that name...] being that said tail fin
markings are fairly standardized and show the name of the mother ship... in, for example, the US NAVY and other navies.
We say in Spanish... "De la discusion nace la luz" (e.g. From discussion surges the light) So, truly imbued with a desire for knowledge... I want to get to the bottom of this...
Humbly,
gaucho_59
Maarten -
Charter Member 2016
Hello Gaucho,
Having enlarged that part of the photo it definitely says ARA 21 de Mayo. There's no way the "1"can be confused with a "5".
Cheers,
Maarten
Firekitten
Charter Member 2016
As I mentioned earlier... the ship they were on was the 25 de mayo... the aircraft in the embarked tracker squadron had different dates from the revolutionary war on...
malibu43
Charter Member
Big kudos to you, Milton! Your hard work to create these addons AND create two versions to work in two different versions of FS are MUCH appreciated!
gaucho_59
Charter Member
Further clarification...
As I stated earlier... the nomenclature ARA + NAME... IS THE NAME OF THE SHIP IN THE ARGENTINE NAVY... LIKE USS Franklin, HMS Furious, etc.
There is no ARA 2i de Mayo in the Argentine Navy...
Furthermore, as per your different days of the revolution of May rationale... etc.
the number 23 aircraft.. should read ARA 23 de Mayo...
Well, carefully examine the attached photo... it quite obviously says ARA 25 de Mayo in the vertical tail fin...and the number on the side of the landing gear door is 23..
The picture you posted has a clear 21 on the gear door... but the tail fin in not clear at all...
Following your logic... the picture I am attaching does not jive...
Pray tell... give some enlightening words ... (Especially since the nomenclature ARA in the Argentine Navy is ONLY used like USS, HMS, HMAS, ad nauseam
Although I lived in Buenos Aires until I came to the US to go to medical school in 1959... I was familiar with military subjects... (btw I never had to be drafted there because
I always held Uruguayan citizenship...)
Like I said before, I would really want to know the short and the long of this thing... .lol
As I stated earlier... the nomenclature ARA + NAME... IS THE NAME OF THE SHIP IN THE ARGENTINE NAVY... LIKE USS Franklin, HMS Furious, etc.
There is no ARA 2i de Mayo in the Argentine Navy...
Furthermore, as per your different days of the revolution of May rationale... etc.
the number 23 aircraft.. should read ARA 23 de Mayo...
Well, carefully examine the attached photo... it quite obviously says ARA 25 de Mayo in the vertical tail fin...and the number on the side of the landing gear door is 23..
The picture you posted has a clear 21 on the gear door... but the tail fin in not clear at all...
Following your logic... the picture I am attaching does not jive...
Pray tell... give some enlightening words ... (Especially since the nomenclature ARA in the Argentine Navy is ONLY used like USS, HMS, HMAS, ad nauseam
Although I lived in Buenos Aires until I came to the US to go to medical school in 1959... I was familiar with military subjects... (btw I never had to be drafted there because
I always held Uruguayan citizenship...)
Like I said before, I would really want to know the short and the long of this thing... .lol
Firekitten
Charter Member 2016
I didn't say it had anything to do with the aircraft number...
The photograph shows a 21 on the tail... 21 de mayo... prove me wrong please... or be quiet.
gaucho_59
Charter Member
Young feller....
Sometimes... "us old fogies" are RIGHT... I now deem it in order to rescind my apologies...
If you read further down...
... No harm done... but the voice of experience catches stuff that is obvious ... but not so to the inexperienced... (that means "foreigner of sorts" in this controversy...)
I am a retired field grade US Army Medical officer...and as a young pup... many times had to "place brain in gear and remove foot from mouth"...
Though born to Uruguayan parents, I lived in Argentina many years before I went to the US... and some things like
this that are blatantly erroneous... I can "catch on the fly"
I don't know who gave you this "song and dance" about the 5 days of the revolution but,
believe you me... it is as we say in the US... "bosta de toro"...in Spanish or "merda di toro" in Italian and you know the English for it.
I feel vindicated now... and as you suggested... I did my research... a posteriori if you will... but I sincerely didn't think I had
too research something that any "red blooded" porteño knows... and, without blemishing your expertise, you really could not be expected to know...
:salute:
Sometimes... "us old fogies" are RIGHT... I now deem it in order to rescind my apologies...
If you read further down...
... No harm done... but the voice of experience catches stuff that is obvious ... but not so to the inexperienced... (that means "foreigner of sorts" in this controversy...)
I am a retired field grade US Army Medical officer...and as a young pup... many times had to "place brain in gear and remove foot from mouth"...
Though born to Uruguayan parents, I lived in Argentina many years before I went to the US... and some things like
this that are blatantly erroneous... I can "catch on the fly"
I don't know who gave you this "song and dance" about the 5 days of the revolution but,
believe you me... it is as we say in the US... "bosta de toro"...in Spanish or "merda di toro" in Italian and you know the English for it.
I feel vindicated now... and as you suggested... I did my research... a posteriori if you will... but I sincerely didn't think I had
too research something that any "red blooded" porteño knows... and, without blemishing your expertise, you really could not be expected to know...
:salute:
gaucho_59
Charter Member
Furthermore....
I think Maarten above told you... it is time for you to accept you were wrong... and remain... VERY QUIET...
and as a good measure... APOLOGIZE... like I DID when you told me to do research before I opine... etc. [since I didn't know
whether you were right] (Mine was not a criticism... it was pure fact!)
The name of the game is NOT to prove anyone wrong.... but alas... as I said before... DE LA DISCUSION NACE LA LUZ...
Sophistry cannot possibly bring light on any subject... I accepted your comment (albeit quite petulant) and humbly went to do my research...
So... the point is to find out the truth... not to prove anyone WRONG... [I did a rotation in Psychiatry during my internship... and found
out a few things about my young self as well... especially when it comes to defensive reactions... one loses sight of the subject and tries to strike back...feels under attack... not a good way to search the truth or communicate]
My pointing out the blatant error was not to prove anyone WRONG... it was merely to RIGHT A WRONG.. as we say in the vernacular...
Short of a little statement like... "I didn't have my ducks in a row... YOU did".... there should be nothing further to add and call the quest successfully completed... (We now know it should be 25 instead of 21 in the tail)
If you choose to be a man from Missouri... (the "show me State") so be it... Happy trails..
I think Maarten above told you... it is time for you to accept you were wrong... and remain... VERY QUIET...
and as a good measure... APOLOGIZE... like I DID when you told me to do research before I opine... etc. [since I didn't know
whether you were right] (Mine was not a criticism... it was pure fact!)
The name of the game is NOT to prove anyone wrong.... but alas... as I said before... DE LA DISCUSION NACE LA LUZ...
Sophistry cannot possibly bring light on any subject... I accepted your comment (albeit quite petulant) and humbly went to do my research...
So... the point is to find out the truth... not to prove anyone WRONG... [I did a rotation in Psychiatry during my internship... and found
out a few things about my young self as well... especially when it comes to defensive reactions... one loses sight of the subject and tries to strike back...feels under attack... not a good way to search the truth or communicate]
My pointing out the blatant error was not to prove anyone WRONG... it was merely to RIGHT A WRONG.. as we say in the vernacular...
Short of a little statement like... "I didn't have my ducks in a row... YOU did".... there should be nothing further to add and call the quest successfully completed... (We now know it should be 25 instead of 21 in the tail)
If you choose to be a man from Missouri... (the "show me State") so be it... Happy trails..
Firekitten
Charter Member 2016
The photograph I posted had a 21 on the tail...
And I'm not a man.
Back on topic...
Night lighting done
And I'm not a man.
Back on topic...
Night lighting done
Maarten -
Charter Member 2016
Gaucho, Firekitten, and myself,
Indeed, let's go back to the joy of the release of these beautiful Turbo Trackers and all the amazing work that has been put into it by so many great artists (including you, Firekitten!) and then shared.
Let's have a drink for each other, forget this hitch, and celebrate the awesome result of a great team.
Screenie looks fab!
Peace,
Maarten
Indeed, let's go back to the joy of the release of these beautiful Turbo Trackers and all the amazing work that has been put into it by so many great artists (including you, Firekitten!) and then shared.
Let's have a drink for each other, forget this hitch, and celebrate the awesome result of a great team.
Screenie looks fab!
Peace,
Maarten