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Alabeo`s Staggerwing is out!

Regardless of how much we pay... we're still paying. I don't pay 20$ rather than 40$ and expect bugs. Price is price, and Unless a company posts and says 'this is an alpha/beta version for lower cost, feedback would help us or its more when finished' im not expecting it to be bugged and broken....Christ, what are we expecting? have we gotten to a point where addons must cost a bomb to be finished?
 
A "quality" add-on will take 3-5,000 hours of total work to complete. If a professional modeler costs between 30 and 60 an hour (which they do)...well you do the maths. Sales are probably in the 100's not 1000's as a lot of people like to think. At 19.95, you are getting extraordinary value, believe me. You are most certainly not covering the cost to produce the thing - that is never computed into the price- it can't be. It is only people's passion for the hobby, sprinkled with a light coating of madness that keeps this hobby going.

How many cups of coffee can you buy for 19.95 and how many do you complain about?
 
Firekitten said:
Regardless of how much we pay... we're still paying. I don't pay 20$ rather than 40$ and expect bugs. Price is price, and Unless a company posts and says 'this is an alpha/beta version for lower cost, feedback would help us or its more when finished' im not expecting it to be bugged and broken....Christ, what are we expecting? have we gotten to a point where addons must cost a bomb to be finished?
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And we wonder why so many good developers get fed up and go awal.For God's sake grow up and give them a chance to correct the minor little glitches.
 
bazzar said:
A "quality" add-on will take 3-5,000 hours of total work to complete. If a professional modeler costs between 30 and 60 an hour (which they do)...well you do the maths. Sales are probably in the 100's not 1000's as a lot of people like to think. At 19.95, you are getting extraordinary value, believe me. You are most certainly not covering the cost to produce the thing - that is never computed into the price- it can't be. It is only people's passion for the hobby, sprinkled with a light coating of madness that keeps this hobby going.

How many cups of coffee can you buy for 19.95 and how many do you complain about?
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:applause:
 
Hell, even when you do everything right as a developer, people find something to gripe about. It's the nature of the beast.
 
Thoe6969 said:
And we wonder why so many good developers get fed up and go awal.For God's sake grow up and give them a chance to correct the minor little glitches.
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Erm, minor? there are some fairly big issues that should really have been sorted... ones that are immediately obvious and testing 'should' catch.

And I think constructive criticism is fine. if a developer is going to release something without ample QA testing, they're fair game. If anyone can suggest this had ample testing, then I'll eat a microwave.

And I am a developer have have tested aircraft... I'd have spotted a fair number of these glitches in seconds.
 
Gorgeous airplane

I am loving this airplane!! Couldn't wait to get home and fly it again. Today at the North Las Vegas airport I saw a bright yellow Staggerwing being towed into the hangar. So this evening I loaded up the yellow paint job and went flying. I would write to Alabeo about the glitches, but too busy flying. Maybe tomorrow.
 
Well I wrote and got a quick reply to say they'd be taking a look. Now, if they are worth their salt, which I am sure they are, there'll be a patch out pretty soon. You can always ask for a refund if you are that unhappy but frankly, my guess is that in a week or two, this will all have gone away. Nobody's going to lose anything and gain everything. Developers care about their work as much as any artist. Glitches happen for all sorts of reasons but usually they get fixed and when they are you have a better product and the dev has a better approach for the next one. Win, win.
 
Let's not battle over who is too demanding as customers and who is too lax as developers.

Alabeo is in business to make money, not offer labors of love at a loss. I like the price point, and can live without things like manuals and checklists. I wish they'd pay Bernt a bit more for his flight models, and I'm sure he does the best he can in the time they pay for. But, $20 is $20. I expect quality control. Shoot, Ant's Trojan is $20, and you get a heck of a lot more for your money from that one. I hope they'll correct the errors. It would be better to catch them in the first place.
 
The (politely put) sloppy beta testing and the sometimes totally unrealistic customers complaints/demands are the reason why I stopped working for Alabeo/Carenado.
 
Pivo: I have some 'work work' to do today, but once I've got rid of this client (burried them in the woods I suspect) I'll take a swipe at doing just that for you. will update the zip and repost the lot. :)


Bernt: yeah, well I hope you didn't see my comments here as 'unreasonable' but I do agree on the (politely) sloppy testing. Although saying any occurred is suspect. You did make it fly well though as usual :)
 
No worries...

and hey, I'm Jewish, if I'm paying, I'm complaining... what do people expect? :D

#culturalstereotypes
 
Only flown her for a little while today, and am enjoying it, but for some reason not as much as previous Alabeo aircraft (SU-26 is my default FS aeroplane). But I'll get there and probably spend a lot more time with it, than have done with the real thing. Only a few more hours to go! :) Only thing I noticed that she redlines far too easily, even with the prop and mixture controls. Engine sounds when finally sorted out, seem to be more like on tickover and then found in normal cruise. Perhaps its just down to good old finger trouble!

But so glad that she has been produced. Another one for the virtual hangar.

Best wishes,

Martin
 
Ok... Everyone that is stressing out needs to take a deep breath and chill.

First, Alabeo is a hugely popular group that make awesome planes, right? You know, from what you see, that they worked hard on this. You know they tried to get everything right so they didnt have to have any bad comments. Its a fact, as you can see with all the rest, that bugs 'will' surface with a public release 'after' all the testing is done. We test and test and still the bugs come out.

The plane has only been out since Tuesday. They'll fix it. Relax.

All is well. Usually a full update is carried out about a week after release, on the usual. Thats only a few days, and its already been 4 days. We know that the battery switch has to be blipped once.

Give them a chance. Take a chill pill. Bear with them. It will be worth it, I am sure.
 
I've already developed the technique of not flipping the battery switch on until I've set magnetos to Both, that way I can use the starter switch as God intended.

And it's fun taxiing and flying mainly by using the view out the side, that's something new.

Agreed, these things all get sorted out one way or another eventually. No need to obsess.
 
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