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Ito's BV 138

Hurricane,
Buddy, pal. What did I say wrong? I don't want to upset you either. Just trying to clarify things. No biggee on the variation name being 'wrong'. That don't bother me at all. You should see some of the names I use for 'variation'. Some are way off from what the modeler put in. I reduce the word cound down to 2 or 3 and not 10 words (the entire variation history, location, pilot, year, etc-hehe). I't all good (I hope).

I was just flying the Hien MS that I installed to work on. (Did not install the recon). And on start up of engines I noticed that the smoke was not coming from the engine that was starting. The sequence is all wrong. So I will update that. Then, to make the smoke agree with which engine is higher (the middle one) I had to re-do the smoke. I don't know if you use it. Just a detail that took me 1 hour to sort out. I WISH I could ignore those details, but I can't. I need a nap. Phew.

Then I got to using the water rudder and the plane shakes like crazy. But if I use rudder (cnt pt type '5') to make turn, then turn it off, it will not shake (and crash?). I hate when that happens. Will SDK the rudder characteristics toight. I usually give steering to the rear floats, and that usually works, but it don't seem to want to work with this model. Has to do with cnt pts (compression?). Will look into that too.

And one of the reason I put in wheel cnt pts is that even if you don't use to go on land, you are ABLE to do PUSH BACK. Without wheels there is NO push back. You can then push back (ie: get 'towed') from land to water AND from water to land. Backwards, but able to turn using the '1' or the '2' (for tail left/tail right) and you can turn under power after you get into the water. This tweaking is a lot of work due to details (and MODEL limitations/quirks) but I enjoy it. Keeps my mind busy and my body out of trouble (ha). Hope we are still friends? Cheers.
Chuck B
Napamule
 
Updated Cnt Pts

I made a mistake with wrong cnt pts (floats). How I don't know (senior moment?). Here is the cnt pts for Hein's BV-218MS (and G) models. Also made a change to engine position and consequently had to change the smoke too. This is terrible mistake in that I was crashing on landing. Now I can land 100 kts, and relload it while bobbing on the water and it doesn't crash. It also turns now (my goodness). I had left out steering to test water rudder shaking. You don't even need water rudder (I commented out). Sorry about the stupid (me) mix up. I am better than this. Not perfect-but better. Maybe I'm trying too hard (ha).

The truth of the matter is that we got a model which did not have a aircraft.cfg and I had to make one. Not looking for sympathy. Just want to point out that essentially I did a CFS to FS9 conversion, with (3, three) engine as well. Try doing that some day from scratch to include 'new' cfg AND air file. Cheers.
Chuck B

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Hien BV-218MS (and G) models, UpDated cnt pts: (11Jul22).

[contact_points]
//Wheels
point.0= 1, 23.99, -5.00, -8.80, 1574.80, 0, 0.690, 30.00, 0.400, 2.5, 0.86, 5.0, 5.0, 0, 0.0, 0.0
point.1= 1, 23.99, 5.00, -8.80, 1574.80, 0, 0.690, 30.00, 0.400, 2.5, 0.86, 5.0, 5.0, 2, 0.0, 0.0
point.2= 1, -12.99, -4.90, -8.60, 1574.80, 1, 0.690, 0.00, 0.400, 2.5, 0.86, 5.0, 5.0, 3, 0.0, 0.0
point.3= 1, -12.99, 4.90, -8.60, 1574.80, 2, 0.690, 0.00, 0.400, 2.5, 0.86, 5.0, 5.0, 5, 0.0, 0.0
//Floats
point.4= 4, 16.00, -3.33, -8.44, 15574.80, 0, 0.512, 0.00, 0.300, 4.5, 1.00, 0.0, 0.0, 1, 0.0, 0.0
point.5= 4, 16.00, 3.33, -8.44, 15574.80, 0, 0.512, 0.00, 0.300, 4.5, 1.00, 0.0, 0.0, 1, 0.0, 0.0
point.6= 4, -16.00, -2.50, -8.44, 15574.80, 0, 0.512, 30.00, 0.300, 4.5, 1.00, 0.0, 0.0, 1, 0.0, 0.0
point.7= 4, -16.00, 2.50, -8.44, 15574.80, 0, 0.512, 30.00, 0.300, 4.5, 1.00, 0.0, 0.0, 1, 0.0, 0.0
//Pontoons
point.8= 4, 2.50, -30.80, -8.25, 15574.80, 0, 0.512, 0.00, 0.350, 4.5, 1.00, 0.0, 0.0, 1, 0.0, 0.0
point.9= 4, 2.50, 30.80, -8.25, 15574.80, 0, 0.512, 0.00, 0.350, 4.5, 1.00, 0.0, 0.0, 1, 0.0, 0.0
//Water Rudder(s) -- Not Needed -- Included for 'testing' only ---
//point.10= 5, -17.00, -5.00, -8.50, 15574.80, 0, 0.000, 30.00, 0.000, 0.0, 1.00, 2.0, 2.0, 1, 0.0, 0.0
//point.11= 5, -17.00, 5.00, -8.50, 15574.80, 0, 0.000, 30.00, 0.000, 0.0, 1.00, 2.0, 2.0, 1, 0.0, 0.0
//
static_pitch=0.000000
static_cg_height= 9.600
gear_system_type=1


[GeneralEngineData]
// (Lon, Lat, Vert)
engine_type=0
Engine.0= 12.000, 12.000, 6.000
Engine.1= 12.000, -12.000, 6.000
Engine.2= 11.000, 0.000, 8.000
fuel_flow_scalar= 0.650 //1.000
min_throttle_limit= -0.499 //-0.399

[SMOKESYSTEM]
// (Vert, Lon, Lat ) (smoke is lower, shorter & wider position)
smoke.0= 6.00, 10.00, 14.00, fx_smoke_w,
smoke.1= 6.00, 10.00, -14.00, fx_smoke_w,
smoke.2= 8.00, 9.00, 0.00, fx_smoke_w,

(copy then paste directly from here to aircraft cfg (make copy first)).
 
Looks also great, the Hellcat panel :applause: There are soooo much addons to tweak and tune and make it "a little bit better" ;-) At this time I'm working at an IL-2 from CFS2. btw, whats about the B&V 138 ? Any news ? :kilroy:

Greets Andi
 
Andi,
Well I uploaded a zip with updated FDEs for the Hiem models. See previous page on this thread. The same FDEs work good for both 'MS' and 'G' model. All you need to do is change the name(s) as needed. There is also an update for cnt pts (water rudder were left in-they don't work with this model) on this page. Also moved engines (and smoke) too.

Am putting finishing touches on the Ito BV-138G and should be done tonight. I am going to post zip you can click on to download. Works good. Have 10 other models by Ito I am working on (sometimes all 10 at the same time - hehe). Plus I got and tweaked 'TheFireBoys12' TransBus and the 'Pickup FSX'. I take time to make videos of my tweaked airplanes (vehicles in this case) so there goes the time. All work and no play..... (you know what they say). Look for zip of FDEs for Ito's BV-138G here tomorrow. OK? OK!
Chuck B
Napamule
 
napmule

I'am sorry if I gave you the impression I was upset with you,far from it, you did a great job on the BV 138, and maybe I was worried cause I thought you were worried, anyway OBIO is sending me the updated ITO BV 138 so I'll replace that one with the Hein one and be done with it. Please don't think I don't appreacate your fine work on the FDE's , the few mistakes you said you made were only human ,I'am sure I couldn't do or want to do what you guys do.
Also sorry about the late reply, wife was in surgery(nothing serious) and was at the hospital all day.
So fear not, you said nothing wrong, I wish I had you guys talent but I don't and really don't like messing with config files and stuff ,unless it's changeing a few numbers. Thanks again for all your work.
 
Ito's BV-138G Updated FDEs

Hurricane,
Glad we cleared the air on that. It's hard to 'communicate' thru forum posts. No amount of 'vocabulary' can put any type of expression on the written words. So I alway assume the positive. It's all good. I am 'new' (here-hehe). And you MIGHT be able to use this set (although inteded for Ito's model only) with Hien's model. Worth a shot. All you have to do is 'change the names', copy over the (fltsim.x) section, the cnt pts, the lights, and the views. That sort of thing. (Just don't forget to copy over the air file-but it's 'renameable' too, of course). Use them in good health.

Well, guess what? I done did went and made a complete new set of FDEs (cfg and air) for Ito's plane. It had nick picking and annoying little stupid problems which I could not live with (hehe). Took me an extra day but it wa well worth it IMHO. I got 'stuck' flying it all over the place. Had to force myself to quit and write the 'ReadMe' (took 45 mins). Now I need a nap. Cheers.
Chuck B
Napamule
 
I'am glad too

I guess we both are perfectionists,although when it comes to flight sims ,I used to be, but have been so feed up with all the problems they can cause ,I'am not now.If I can get it in the air,thats good enough, as long as I can keep it reasonably under control.So take a break and have a nice nap, it's too hot out for anything else.
 
Hellcat cockpit progress

Quax d. Bruchpilot said:
Looks also great, the Hellcat panel :applause: There are soooo much addons to tweak and tune and make it "a little bit better" ;-) At this time I'm working at an IL-2 from CFS2. btw, whats about the B&V 138 ? Any news ? :kilroy:

Greets Andi
Click to expand...

I am continuing to plow on with this project... (sort of got to me now...) though I need to get back to the BV 138...
I am starting to put the finalized colors in the Hellcat... here is the progress jpg so far... someone suggested I start a thread on this for it is really out of place in this thread... (but it was the only way I could show it to Obio...who has been so helpful to me...

View attachment 44326
 
No It's Not

Andy,
I live as far West and you can go (California). The temps have been in the 60's here (cold) for weeks now. Stunted my tomatos and serrano peppers. Wed morning it was 54 F so actually had to turn the heater on (ha). That is why I live here-the weather.
Chuck B
 
Latest episode in the Hellcat saga...

Quax d. Bruchpilot said:
Looks also great, the Hellcat panel :applause: There are soooo much addons to tweak and tune and make it "a little bit better" ;-) At this time I'm working at an IL-2 from CFS2. btw, whats about the B&V 138 ? Any news ? :kilroy:

Greets Andi
Click to expand...

I think I bit more than I can chew... got into this one and have not gotten back on the BV 138... but thankfully... I got a lot of time and will eventually finish both projects concurrently...View attachment 44457
 
Too many gauges...

gaucho_59 said:
Thank you for your comment... when I'm through... I am going to paint in some dummy gauges and leave the holes for the few important working gauges... like aircraft attitude, IAS, etc.
Should get a semi-finished product for the 2d panel... with appropriate panel.config file... I am working on the VC textures right now... matching ITO's vc to the colors and set up of the 2D panel...should get them done fairly quicky and test them...
Next I am going to work on the skinning...
I did some skinning textures some time ago for this bird... have to look it up in my very large reservoir of unfinished projects... might revise them or used them as is (they were very good in my estimation...mmm) we shall see...
Question... how large a bmp does this model accept? would like to improve on the details as well as the livery... Let me know if you have an answer...
Click to expand...

I have solved the problem of bezels... I can now edit gauges artwork and produce very good gauges without screws.. (the part hard to line up and usually looking pretty amateurish in most panels)... Here is an example... (I have made a template in PSP and can put any brand, language, tic marks etc. one could ever want...)
How about it on the Bv 138 panel? Not bad, eh?
View attachment 44817

View attachment 44818
 
Now another newbie question...

gaucho_59 said:
I have solved the problem of bezels... I can now edit gauges artwork and produce very good gauges without screws.. (the part hard to line up and usually looking pretty amateurish in most panels)... Here is an example... (I have made a template in PSP and can put any brand, language, tic marks etc. one could ever want...)
How about it on the Bv 138 panel? Not bad, eh?
View attachment 44817

View attachment 44818
Click to expand...


How do you get rid of attachments you don't need anymore in this "Manage Attachments" section???
 
I've not been following this thread for a while, and now it's getting a bit confusing...
There are 3 different FDE updates for two different models. Which one to use?
Obio's original title clearly states 'Ito' s BV 138', the one I have in FS.
Everything seems to be getting mixed up here without a clear indication of which post belongs to which aircraft (Ito, or von Hien).
I shall be sticking to Obio's improvements until there is a bit more clarity or a final update for Ito's model.
 
Confusion

stuartcox said:
I've not been following this thread for a while, and now it's getting a bit confusing...
There are 3 different FDE updates for two different models. Which one to use?
Obio's original title clearly states 'Ito' s BV 138', the one I have in FS.
Everything seems to be getting mixed up here without a clear indication of which post belongs to which aircraft (Ito, or von Hien).
I shall be sticking to Obio's improvements until there is a bit more clarity or a final update for Ito's model.
Click to expand...

My graphics part on the project is with reference to Ito's textures, I am working on the panel artwork as well as new external model textures... I am only familiar with Ito's model... All the stuff I have submitted is NOT in final version... need to refine things a bit more still... and I really don't know a thing about posting for downloads... so when I am finished with my part of the project.. I will just make it available to Obio for him to decide how to use my artwork...
 
gaucho_59 said:
I have solved the problem of bezels... I can now edit gauges artwork and produce very good gauges without screws.. (the part hard to line up and usually looking pretty amateurish in most panels)... Here is an example... (I have made a template in PSP and can put any brand, language, tic marks etc. one could ever want...)
How about it on the Bv 138 panel? Not bad, eh?
View attachment 44817

View attachment 44818
Click to expand...

A very nice RPM gauge ! :applause:
 
Zip It

Stuart,
You are right. There is Obio's FDEs for Ito's BV-138. Then I provided my FDEs (cfg & air) for Ito's BV-138 and my FDEs (cfg & air) for Hien's BV-138 as 'click-to-download' type zip attachments. Both of my zips have a Readme.txt file. And looking at the cfg after you download the zip will indicate 'Ito' or 'Hien' in description. And the cfg and air files (for both) MUST be used together. You can change names, title, etc. But keep the 2 together or they won't work as the engines have changed from turbo to piston. How about that? Now you need piston sounds? Yep. Oh well, I try to help.

What happened also is that I provided a (contact pts) section in one zip without the floats having steering in cfg (so it would not turn while in the water). That I put in a 'cnt pts' only update in a post. I also put zip file attachment in another thread. (My bad). All you need to do is open zip and see the Readme and if you have 2 zips of same files, just delete one of the zips (careful which one (hehe)). So, to make things easier (more confusing?) I am going to put both zip in this post. So if you don't know which is which you can compare size, or date, or just look inside and see the readme. How's that?
Chuck B
Napamule
Now. The 'updated' cnt pts section for Hein's BV-138 cfg is as below. Also I noticed the startup smoke was wrong on start, so I provide an updated (Engines) section to correct that. Then, also provide a (smoke) section as the engines have been 'moved' and the smoke was wrong. So here are those. Copy/Paste to cfg and comment out what you have now (or delete section) or overwrite by highlighting, then 'paste' over text you don't want.
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Hien BV-218MS (and G) models, UpDated cnt pts: (11Jul22). Noe: FOR HEIN'S MODEL ONLY... .
[contact_points]
//Wheels
point.0= 1, 23.99, -5.00, -8.80, 1574.80, 0, 0.690, 30.00, 0.400, 2.5, 0.86, 5.0, 5.0, 0, 0.0, 0.0
point.1= 1, 23.99, 5.00, -8.80, 1574.80, 0, 0.690, 30.00, 0.400, 2.5, 0.86, 5.0, 5.0, 2, 0.0, 0.0
point.2= 1, -12.99, -4.90, -8.60, 1574.80, 1, 0.690, 0.00, 0.400, 2.5, 0.86, 5.0, 5.0, 3, 0.0, 0.0
point.3= 1, -12.99, 4.90, -8.60, 1574.80, 2, 0.690, 0.00, 0.400, 2.5, 0.86, 5.0, 5.0, 5, 0.0, 0.0
//Floats
point.4= 4, 16.00, -3.33, -8.44, 15574.80, 0, 0.512, 0.00, 0.300, 4.5, 1.00, 0.0, 0.0, 1, 0.0, 0.0
point.5= 4, 16.00, 3.33, -8.44, 15574.80, 0, 0.512, 0.00, 0.300, 4.5, 1.00, 0.0, 0.0, 1, 0.0, 0.0
point.6= 4, -16.00, -2.50, -8.44, 15574.80, 0, 0.512, 30.00, 0.300, 4.5, 1.00, 0.0, 0.0, 1, 0.0, 0.0
point.7= 4, -16.00, 2.50, -8.44, 15574.80, 0, 0.512, 30.00, 0.300, 4.5, 1.00, 0.0, 0.0, 1, 0.0, 0.0
//Pontoons
point.8= 4, 2.50, -30.80, -8.25, 15574.80, 0, 0.512, 0.00, 0.350, 4.5, 1.00, 0.0, 0.0, 1, 0.0, 0.0
point.9= 4, 2.50, 30.80, -8.25, 15574.80, 0, 0.512, 0.00, 0.350, 4.5, 1.00, 0.0, 0.0, 1, 0.0, 0.0
//Water Rudder(s) -- Not Needed -- Included for 'testing' only ---
//point.10= 5, -17.00, -5.00, -8.50, 15574.80, 0, 0.000, 30.00, 0.000, 0.0, 1.00, 2.0, 2.0, 1, 0.0, 0.0
//point.11= 5, -17.00, 5.00, -8.50, 15574.80, 0, 0.000, 30.00, 0.000, 0.0, 1.00, 2.0, 2.0, 1, 0.0, 0.0
//
static_pitch=0.000000
static_cg_height= 9.600
gear_system_type=1


[GeneralEngineData]
// (Lon, Lat, Vert)
engine_type=0
Engine.0= 12.000, 12.000, 6.000
Engine.1= 12.000, -12.000, 6.000
Engine.2= 11.000, 0.000, 8.000
fuel_flow_scalar= 0.650 //1.000
min_throttle_limit= -0.499 //-0.399

[SMOKESYSTEM]
// (Vert, Lon, Lat ) (smoke is lower, shorter & wider position)
smoke.0= 6.00, 10.00, 14.00, fx_smoke_w,
smoke.1= 6.00, 10.00, -14.00, fx_smoke_w,
smoke.2= 8.00, 9.00, 0.00, fx_smoke_w,

I uploaded the Hein zip on 7/20/2011 and Ito zip on 7/23/2011, so Ito's cfg was 'ok' due to me going over cfg to be sure I did not make the same mistake(s) as I did with Hein's cfg, so Ito's cfg in zip is correctomundo. Cheers.
 
one thing about heins BV138

There is one thing about Heins BV 138 that no one has mentioned. That is it idles to fast. I have both HEIN's BV138 and ITOs 138 which OBIO did such a good job tweaking the FDE and it stops after you pull the throttle to idle, the Hein version does not.As soon as you load the plane it starts moving. It's not my controller( a CH Throttle Quad) ,because I tried other seaplnes and they stop when the throttle is pulled to idle, and it also does this when I have no controllers hooked up. The only way to stop it is hit F2.
Just wondering if anyone else has had this. The only reason I kept Heins BV138 is I like the paint scheme,as ITO's with OBIO's new fde's preforms better, this is not slamming NAPAMULES fde's for Heins 138 it turns on the water and flys fine, he did a great job , but just wondered if anyone else noticed the high idle speed?
 
Heins Bv 138

hurricane3 said:
There is one thing about Heins BV 138 that no one has mentioned. That is it idles to fast. I have both HEIN's BV138 and ITOs 138 which OBIO did such a good job tweaking the FDE and it stops after you pull the throttle to idle, the Hein version does not.As soon as you load the plane it starts moving. It's not my controller( a CH Throttle Quad) ,because I tried other seaplnes and they stop when the throttle is pulled to idle, and it also does this when I have no controllers hooked up. The only way to stop it is hit F2.
Just wondering if anyone else has had this. The only reason I kept Heins BV138 is I like the paint scheme,as ITO's with OBIO's new fde's preforms better, this is not slamming NAPAMULES fde's for Heins 138 it turns on the water and flys fine, he did a great job , but just wondered if anyone else noticed the high idle speed?
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Where do you find this Heins Bv 138???? Keep hearing about it in this thread but have never seen it... Please advise
 
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