Lockheed Electra Model 10

as i recall, i didn't have much luck
with the insert feature
and didn't have the patience
to go figure it out, so i bagged it.
consequently, there was a lot of hand work,
which, in the end, didn't get done on the A-20.

there's another ad2k vertices feature
that's gnawing at my brain.
the terminology has escaped me
and i can't explain what it is.
(boy, that's helpful, huh?)
something about hovering the mouse
above a vertices, left click, hold+ctrl,
then dragging it to a vertices of another chain.
i guess i'd better warm up the big screen,
fire up ad2k and see if i can find it.
wish me luck
 
found it...
in the help file index, click on
align a vertex, move a vertex, or select a vertex.
all bring up the same page.
check out, align a vertex with another vertex
and capture a vertex.
i believe both techniques can be very handy.
 
Hello Smilo,
Thanks for the tip, I´ll try it out this afternoon.
We´re having a heat wave - they said it would be over for the weekend, but it´s not - and I´m rather sleepy...
More later!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
 
Too much difficulty.

Hello Smilo,
It´s getting a bit too tedious, and I´m completely stuck, after only having done the mid-fuselage section and the inner wings.
Vertex alignment for the inner half of the nacelle and outer part of the inner wing just won´t happen. It should be automatic, with the facilities provided, but it´s impossible.
I am very tempted to revert to AF99 with all its limitations, because at least I can get the job done reasonably well with that.
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp.
 
just got home from a very late night out
and decided to drop in before dropping off.

would you please send me a copy
of the chord chain and a couple nacelle templates?
i make no promises, but, would like to have a look.

oh, what the heck, please send me the mid fuselage,
inner wing and what you have of the nacelle.

i'm off to dreamland.
 
Hello Smilo,
I hope you enjoyed yourself last night - presumably with the band! Good stuff!
I´ve just e-mailed the Electra model to you, to see if you can help me out.

As seen on the screenshot, the inner-wing fastening to the fuselage section went very well.
Not so, however, the engine-gondola to the inner-wing.
The forward nacelles are separate sections, which will later have to be sequenced to the wing
with a front/rear jump-plane instruction.

Thank you very much for your offer!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
 

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thank you, Stephan...i received your email.
as i said above, i make no promises,
but, i can feel a little itch to solve this problem.
all i need to do is make time.

looking at the screen shots,
it doesn't look that tough.
(gosh, i hope i'm not bragging)

please, don't take this the wrong way,
i know you are excited about making progress,
but, in my opinion, you are getting ahead of yourself.
if this was my project, i wouldn't bother
mirroring the wing and nacelle
until one side is completed.
same goes for the forward section.
again, just my opinion,
there's too much unnecessary stuff
interfering with the view of close work to be done.

looking at the images, i would add nacelle templates
at each point where there is a chord chain vertices.
both at the top and bottom of the chord chain.
as with the fuselage, this should make finding
the points of intersection much easier.
yeah, it's tedious hand work,
but, i'm sure you will get the results your looking for.

the trick now is to test my theory
and see if i know what i'm talking about.

one final thought, have you completed
the aft end of the nacelle?
if so, please send it to me as well.

oh yeah...one more.
if you are more comfortable building with af99,
do it, then, save the afx and import it into ad2k.
remember, make it as complex as you like,
but, keep it simple....yeah, that's an oxymoron.
what i mean is parts only...
no components or structures.

okay, i'm off...lots to do this weekend.
 
Hello Smilo,
Thanks for your indications, and for your time! I´ll see what I can do as regards the suggested extra templates.
If all else fails, I can always revert to AF99 then, and import the parts into AD2K! OK.

The lower rear part of the nacelles would slant up backwards, disappearing inside the wing, and there would be a portion of the tucked in main wheel portruding.

I understand what you mean about the mirrored parts, but I get a better feel of what I´m doing if I see the aircraft taking shape more or less simmetrically. That´s another reason for me to build all parts in their correct positions, because I don´t like building things at the 0,0,0 point and then shift them into place later.

Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
 
of course, your method is valid
and makes sense.
i merely offer another perspective
that seems to work for me.
as the old saying goes,
to each his own.
 
is this what you had in mind?
it took a while to figure it out,
but, this is what i came up with.


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It´s progressing!

Hello Smilo,
Yes, thanks a lot!
That´s just about what I was trying to get.
Moreover: Now I see what you meant about the rear part of the nacelle being unfinished.

I had aligned the top part of the nacelle at the back to slant down towards the wrong inner wing profile! I hadn´t been able to compile it again, so I didn´t notice the flaw. I´m so sorry. It should slant down further so that the rear of the nacelle disappears inside the wing or at least aligns with the wing surface. I will have to re-shape the bulkheads, but that should be no problem.
I´ve just made the three last nacelle bulkheads a bit smaller, and it should be OK.

What shall we do?
Do you want to send me what you´ve got and I´ll make the correction on the bulkheads to "bend" the rear part of the nacelle into position? That will probably be easier than me sending you the model files with the corrected bulkheads, because you´d have to repeat the work you´ve done on them.

The next step will then be the outer wing, and fitting the vertices to the outer part of the nacelle.

Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
 

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what a piss off!!!
i just wrote a long winded explanation
about the wing to nacelle build process
and the damned thing went away.

can someone please tell me
how to retrieve auto save text?

this is not the first time this has happened.
i'm more than a little irritated
and need to walk away.
 
Hello Smilo,
I´m sorry this is being so aggravating.
To lose a lengthy message has sometimes happened to me too, and it is very frustrating indeed.

Update:
In view of the success you have demonstrated, it has become clear that it IS indeed possible to do!
So, I am repeating the steps you mentioned before for the simpler Fuselage-Innerwing joint.

Now I´m trying the system again for the nacelle-innerwing joint.
The problem was that I couldn´t identify the nacelle panels that were being asked for the last time I tried this.

OK: For the moment, I have made all the additional nacelle templates, coinciding with lines of the panels on the inner wing.
So this should now make it possible to put in the intersect vertices so that the innerwing panels fit flush with the nacelle-side.

I´ll see how it goes...

Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
 
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okay, my blood pressure has gone down.
...a little.

be forewarned, this is a convoluted
and very tedious process,
BUT, it becomes easier,
once you get the hang of it.

as always, these are just my opinions;
if it was my project,
i would build a complete wing,
with no breaks from fuselage center to tip.
save it untouched for a solid reference base.
second, i would have the nacelle completed
before starting on the wing intersection process.
build plenty of nacelle templates.
at least, one for each chord vertices.
more if necessary for nacelle shaping
and have them laid out in order
from forward to aft for ease of cycling through for editing.
instead of jumping around trying to find the right one.

i have some tips for finding the intersection,
but, am afraid to write too much.
who knows when everything will go away again?
let me know if you're interested.
 
ps...if you have time,
would you please send
a completed nacelle
and a full wing?
thanks in advance.
 
Hello Smilo,
OK, I moved the outer edge of the inner-wing outwards, to make a whole wing out of it, positioning an sizing it correctly.
The wingtip would be the only missing bit on the wing now.
The engine and nacelle body is hopefully now also shaped correctly, so as to fit into the wing.
I´ve just e-mailed the model files to you, and here´s a blueprint screenshot.
I hope it is what you were asking for!
Cheers, and thanks very much again for your assistance!
Aleatorylamp
 

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yes, thank you, Stephan,
it would appear to be,
exactly what i was asking for.
(careful what you wish for, smilo...:redfire:)

this should keep me busy for a bit.
but first, a cup of coffee or two.
 
Hello Smilo,
Actually, in AF99 this is the most difficult part because the whole wing and nacelle has to be made with components, i.e. individual parts by hand, and as it appears, it is not as straight forward as one could imagine in AD2K either.
Hopefully it will not be too much of a hassle for you!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
 
as far as i can tell,
it is straight forward with ad2k,
IF you are willing to accept,
at best, a marginal wing profile.
clearly, i am not and, therefore,
am willing to do the hand work.

i also see this as an opportunity
to delve into the intersection process
which i had problems with in the past.
(probably, my lack of patience)
who knows, i may find something
that will work for us in the future.
suffice to say, i have a few ideas.
 
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