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Would be awesome if we could, Keith.
Mr Magoo has been pretty stretched with RW work commitments lately, but I'm sure he'll take a look when he has the opportunity.
Just tried the sound file for the Mongoose fitted to the 621 & no sound! Individual wav files OK. ( I have no speakers fitted - so usually I do not put headset on - hence not commented before!)
Lynx engined versions work fine. Had a quick look in the sound cfg & there appears to be nothing obviously wrong that I can see - am I the only one to have this problem?
Lynx shutdown sound is quite long, but then the prop stopping appears to be quite short to me. Not much rattling one hears in some other sound files on shutdown DH Gipsy for example.
Keith
nigel richards
Charter Member
Keith: could you check that the aircraft cfg. entries and sound folder names coincide? No one else has reported this issue.
nigel richards
Charter Member
Keith: could you check that the aircraft cfg. entries and sound folder names coincide? No one else has reported this issue.
All aircraft.cfg entries say 'sound='. Sound.cfg files define the engine type, AS Mongoose, AS Lynx, etc, but nowhere else are the engine types stated (except in the Descriptions).
Have relooked at the Mongoose Sound .cfg & noted that in the Mongoose listing the [Combustion] numbering sequence is missing [COMBUSTION.1.04] & its link. Could that be the problem? There is though a very feint background noise when engine is started. No sound either in FSX.
PWS-18 sound is OK, as is the Lynx.
Keith
nigel richards
Charter Member
That bad COMBUSTION entry should never have happened - the funny thing is that it played normal on my system!!!
I will distribute the revised sound.cfg tomorrow - in the meantime, here is the corrected text entry:
[FLTSIM]
product_code=FSIM
Avro Tutor
Armstrong Siddeley Mongoose
by Nigel Richards
19/05/2018
version-2.1
Created for Avro 621 by Nigel Richards
--------------------------------------------------------------------
[SOUND_ENGINE]
number_of_engines=1
eng1_combustion=COMBUSTION.1.00
eng1_non_combustion=NON_COMBUSTION.1.00
eng1_starter=starterA
eng1_shutdown=shutdownA
eng1_combustion_start=combstartA
[STARTERA]
filename=start
viewpoint=1
link=starterA.1
[STARTERA.1]
filename=xstart
viewpoint=2
[SHUTDOWNA]
filename=shutdown
viewpoint=1
link=shutdownA.1
[SHUTDOWNA.1]
filename=xshutdown
viewpoint=2
[COMBSTARTA]
filename=ignition
viewpoint=1
link=combstartA.1
[COMBSTARTA.1]
filename=xignition
viewpoint=2
[COMBUSTION.1.00]
filename=rpm11
flags=0
viewpoint=1
rparams=0.000000,0.860000,0.200000,1.180000
vparams=0.000000,78.400000,0.062000,89.400000,0.195000,98.800000,0.271000,83.400000,0.31300,63.200000,0.350000,31.000000,0.502000,0.000000,0.500000,0.000000
link=COMBUSTION.1.01
[COMBUSTION.1.01]
filename=rpm11b
flags=0
viewpoint=1
rparams=0.000000,0.500000,0.700000,1.220000
vparams=0.000000,198.400000,0.100000,228.400000,0.170000,498.800000,0.390000,398.000000,0.500000,298.000000,0.600000,98.000000,0.700000,1.000000,0.850000,0.000000
link=COMBUSTION.1.02
[COMBUSTION.1.02]
filename=rpm12
flags=0
viewpoint=1
rparams=0.000000,0.880000,0.600000,2.240000
vparams=0.000000,5.000000,0.110000,9.000000,0.170000,21.400000,0.240000,32.000000,0.450000,29.000000,0.600000,17.000000,0.780000,24.00000,0.970000,17.000000
link=COMBUSTION.1.03
[COMBUSTION.1.03]
filename=rpm13
flags=0
viewpoint=1
rparams=0.000000,0.740000,0.900000,1.160000
vparams=0.020000,0.000000,0.150000,18.000000,0.250000,43.000000,0.300000,86.000000,0.400000,98.000000,0.550000,128.000000,0.700000,158.000000,0.900000,168.000000
panning=-5,000
link=COMBUSTION.1.04
[COMBUSTION.1.04]
filename=rpm14
flags=0
viewpoint=1
rparams=0.300000,0.740000,0.900000,1.260000
vparams=0.030000,0.000000,0.160000,1.000000,0.250000,18.400000,0.350000,27.000000,0.400000,58.000000,0.500000,99.000000,0.700000,128.000000,0.920000,298.000000
panning=-5,000
link=COMBUSTION.1.05
///////////////external///////////////////
[COMBUSTION.1.05]
filename=xrpm11
flags=0
viewpoint=2
rparams=0.000000,0.560000,0.650000,1.280000
vparams=0.000000,180.400000,0.100000,198.400000,0.170000,298.800000,0.290000,398.000000,0.400000,198.000000,0.600000,98.000000,0.750000,72.000000,0.850000,60.000000
link=COMBUSTION.1.06
[COMBUSTION.1.06]
filename=xrpm12
flags=0
viewpoint=2
rparams=0.090000,0.660000,0.990000,1.040000
vparams=0.000000,23.000000,0.050000,12.000000,0.120000,90.000000,0.180000,168.000000,0.360000,398.000000,0.670000,298.000000,0.790000,50.800000,0.890000,20.000000
link=COMBUSTION.1.07
[COMBUSTION.1.07]
filename=xrpm13
flags=0
viewpoint=2
rparams=0.000000,0.550000,0.900000,0.850000
vparams=0.400000,0.000000,0.506000,1.000000,0.600000,3.400000,0.650000,7.000000,0.700000,82.400000,0.750000,168.000000,0.800000,198.000000,0.900000,298.000000
link=COMBUSTION.1.08
[COMBUSTION.1.08]
filename=xrpm14
flags=0
viewpoint=2
rparams=0.350000,0.760000,0.900000,1.220000
vparams=0.030000,1.000000,0.160000,42.000000,0.250000,79.400000,0.350000,120.000000,0.400000,498.000000,0.500000,698.000000,0.600000,898.000000,0.900000,998.000000
link=COMBUSTION.1.09
[COMBUSTION.1.09]
filename=xrpm15
flags=0
viewpoint=2
rparams=0.000000,0.760000,0.900000,0.990000
vparams=0.100000,0.000000,0.150000,1.000000,0.300000,39.000000,0.400000,84.000000,0.500000,99.000000,0.600000,198.000000,0.700000,48.000000,0.900000,1.000000
................................................................................................................................
[GYRO_SOUND]
filename=gyro
maximum_volume=8800
[FLAPS]
filename=AVRO_slat
initial_volume=4500
[AP_DISENGAGE_SOUND]
filename=no_ap
[STALL_WARNING]
filename=silence
[GEAR_UP_WARNING_SOUND]
filename=silence
[wind_sound]
filename=AVROwind
viewpoint=1
rparams=28.0000,0.150000,130.0000,1.000000
vparams=0.000000,0.000000,15.5000,0.600000,40.3000,2.800000,70.0000,4.400000,110.8000,9.600000,190.7000,25.200000,200.2000,40.800000,240.0000,42.000000
link=wind_sound.1.01
[wind_sound.1.01]
filename=AVROwindx
viewpoint=2
rparams=10.0000,0.100000,140.0000,0.550000
vparams=0.120000,0.000000,30.000000,0.600000,45.000000,4.110000,55.000000,11.000000,75.800000,21.600000,100.7000,36.200000,140.2000,40.800000,180.0000,49.000000
[LEFT_TOUCHDOWN]
filename=skidb
[RIGHT_TOUCHDOWN]
filename=skida
[CENTER_TOUCHDOWN]
filename=skid
[GROUND_ROLL]
filename=AVRObnroll
flags=125218
viewpoint=1
minimum_volume=7600
maximum_volume=9900
minimum_speed=3
maximum_speed=25
minimum_rate=0.65
maximum_rate=0.95
link=GROUND_ROLL1
[GROUND_ROLL1]
filename=AVRObnroll2
flags=135380
viewpoint=1
link=GROUND_ROLL2
[GROUND_ROLL2]
filename=AVROwater
flags=8
link=GROUND_ROLL3
[GROUND_ROLL3]
filename=AVROwater
flags=8
[LEFT_WING_SCRAPE]
filename=smwngscr
minimum_speed=1
maximum_speed=60
minimum_rate=0.5
maximum_rate=2.0
[RIGHT_WING_SCRAPE]
filename=smwngscr
minimum_speed=1
maximum_speed=60
minimum_rate=0.5
maximum_rate=2.0
[FUSELAGE_SCRAPE]
filename=smblylnd
minimum_speed=1
maximum_speed=60
minimum_rate=0.5
maximum_rate=2.0
[CRASH_SOUND]
filename=pcrash3,cncrash1,cncrash2
[SPLASH_SOUND]
filename=psplash,cnsplas1,cnsplas2
Blackbird686
SOH-CM-2025
That bad COMBUSTION entry should never have happened - the funny thing is that it played normal on my system!!!
That's weird... it played fine on my system too, a nice catch, nonetheless...
BB686
nigel richards
Charter Member
That's weird... it played fine on my system too, a nice catch, nonetheless...
BB686
Negative 621 sound for me either. I thought it was my naivete'. All other versions are A-Ok.
My thanks go out to all who work on this project.
Thank you all for the feedback, Gentlemen.
2 bad entries by my part:
1). Incorrect sound cfg. sequence.
2). Aircraft cfg. / sound=/ entry alignment has carried over from my external sound folder directory entry
Entries shown in Red should be deleted.
My apologies to Team - NEW replacement Aircraft cfg. files and Mongoose Sound folders will be distributed sometime today.
Many thanks to Keith for highlighting the issue.
[fltsim.0]
title=AVRO 621
sim=621
model=
panel=
sound=AS Mongoose
texture=RAF_K.1236
kb_checklists=tutor_check
kb_reference=tutor_ref
atc_id=K1236
ui_manufacturer=AVRO
ui_type="621"
ui_variation="RAF_K.1236"
description="The Avro Tutor was a development of the Avro Model 621 designed by Roy Chadwick and was the first RAF trainer to be equipped with brakes. Known for its good handling, and popular with pilots, the type was often featured at air shows during the 1930's. Over 200 Avro Tutors and five Sea Tutors remained in RAF service at the beginning of the Second World War. The Tutor achieved substantial foreign sales. A.V. Roe and Co exported 30 for the Greek Air Force (and at least 61 were licence built in Greece by KEA. Greek Tutors were incorporated in combat squadrons after Greece's entrance into the WWII conflict), used as army co-operation aircraft., six for the Royal Canadian Air Force, five for the Kwangsi AF, three for the Irish AF (where it was known as the Triton) and two for each of the South African and Polish AFs. In addition 57 were licence built in South Africa, and three licence built by the Danish Naval Shipyard."
atc_id_color=0x00000000
atc_heavy=0
atc_id_font=Verdana,-11,1,600,0
visual_damage=0
[fltsim.1]
title=AVRO 621 RAF
sim=621
model=
panel=
sound=AS Mongoose
texture=RAF_K.1230
kb_checklists=tutor_check
kb_reference=tutor_ref
atc_id=K1230
ui_manufacturer=AVRO
ui_type="621"
ui_variation="RAF K.1230"
description="The Avro Tutor was a development of the Avro Model 621 designed by Roy Chadwick and was the first RAF trainer to be equipped with brakes. Known for its good handling, and popular with pilots, the type was often featured at air shows during the 1930's. Over 200 Avro Tutors and five Sea Tutors remained in RAF service at the beginning of the Second World War. The Tutor achieved substantial foreign sales. A.V. Roe and Co exported 30 for the Greek Air Force (and at least 61 were licence built in Greece by KEA. Greek Tutors were incorporated in combat squadrons after Greece's entrance into the WWII conflict), used as army co-operation aircraft., six for the Royal Canadian Air Force, five for the Kwangsi AF, three for the Irish AF (where it was known as the Triton) and two for each of the South African and Polish AFs. In addition 57 were licence built in South Africa, and three licence built by the Danish Naval Shipyard."
atc_id_color=0x00000000
atc_heavy=0
atc_id_font=Verdana,-11,1,600,0
visual_damage=0
nigel richards
Charter Member
_avro_621
Update correcting _AVRO_621 sound issues has now been sent to all Test team members.
For good measures, I have replaced the Mongoose sound folder in its entirety.
If anyone is experiencing similar sound issues with the AVRO_646_Sea Tutor (early version only!!!), I would recommend the sound folder be replaced with the update.
Many Thanks,
Nigel
Update correcting _AVRO_621 sound issues has now been sent to all Test team members.
For good measures, I have replaced the Mongoose sound folder in its entirety.
If anyone is experiencing similar sound issues with the AVRO_646_Sea Tutor (early version only!!!), I would recommend the sound folder be replaced with the update.
Many Thanks,
Nigel
Blackbird686
SOH-CM-2025
Always thought that the sounds were still a work in progress... so I left this one alone. But there is a slight difference in the way the 621 sounds after installing the update..... Going to have a chat with the young lads at the "Service Hangar" about this. 
BB686
BB686
nigel richards
Charter Member
Sincere thanks to all for the quick feedback, Gentlemen;
I'd better get back to readying the Prefect variants and PWS-18 for testing round 2.
I'd better get back to readying the Prefect variants and PWS-18 for testing round 2.
Update correcting _AVRO_621 sound issues has now been sent to all Test team members.
For good measures, I have replaced the Mongoose sound folder in its entirety.
If anyone is experiencing similar sound issues with the AVRO_646_Sea Tutor (early version only!!!), I would recommend the sound folder be replaced with the update.
Many Thanks,
Nigel
Nigel, I haven't found a Mongoose sound folder in the update, nor in the extant aircraft. I must have missed an update soemwhere, when did you add that?
Sascha; It is there, but the big difference is the removal of the 'AS Mongoose' from the 'sound=' heading in the aircraft.cfg.
Nigel re: the prop/sound sync referred to earlier for the 621 with Mongoose, I can now confirm, listening from the outside, that the prop stops when the xshutdown wav finishes. My problem is that it needs more volume & I don't know how to fix that. I must admit that I have substituted the xshutdown wav for the shutdown wav from the VC view.....naughty of me! Have yet to check the other engines.
Keith
nigel richards
Charter Member
Correct; 'sound' folder in today's update, IS the revised Mongoose sound pack.
Re: xshutdown - we'll boost the sound to make it more audible, but I'll keep the fine tuning until James takes a look at the shutdown sequence vs Air.file.