Lockheed Electra Model 10

just an update to let you know
work has not stopped on the L10.

here are the results of, maybe,
the fourth wing to nacelle intersections build.
i've lost count, so, fourth is close enough.
this time, there are no bleeds
and i'm relatively happy with the shape.
granted, this is only the top area,
but, i'm confident the lower wing/nacelle
build will go much quicker.

if you will notice the striped nacelle,
each stripe is the space between two templates.
each template has an intersection vertex
where it's met by the wing.
let's just say, there are a lot of intersections.
 

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Hello Smilo,
Good heavens! You didn´t do all those intersections manually, did you?
There is certainly a good fit in all the joints, and a smooth curve.
Nice shape!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
 
in a word...yes, i did.
i guess that's three words, isn't it?

after each vertex was made,
then, each polygon, or chain,
was reshaped using the new vertices
and deleting the old points.
there's still a little cleanup work to do,
but, for the most part, the top is done.


gotta run...
this computer wants to reboot
from another update.
 
yeah, well, it is labor intensive.
no question about it,
but, i like the results.
it's a good thing
i'm not trying to make money.
then again, a lot of the time
was spent learning technique.

i guess i can look at it
as time spent making something,
as opposed to sitting on the sofa,
watching tv and slopping down beers.
 
Hello Smilo,
The result is certainly impressive - time well spent!
I´ve been busy fixing the drawings for the other plane, so that will go onto the conveyor belt quite soon.
With those smooth curves, as I mentioned before, I´ll give the fuselage rounder bulkheads to match.
The wing-root will be much easier than the nacelles though, because the fuselage wall-panel is generally flat, and the rounding off above will not affect intersections.
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
 
i'm sure there will be no problem
matching up the wing root with the fuselage,
but, don't worry about getting it done.
there really is no hurry.
this could very well be
one of those year long projects.

i have to admit something...
i'm less than ecstatic with the present intersections.
but, i decided to compromise and let it go.
if i had my druthers, the wing profile
would have twice as many points
which would make the wing,
much more curvy and thereby,
making the nacelle intersections much nicer.
BUT, we have to draw the line somewhere.
if you look closely at the russian drawings you posted,
i think you'll see what i'm talking about.

progress is being made on the lower nacelle/wing.
one of the techniques i mentioned above,
is the use of keyboard shortcuts.
it's much quicker than using the mouse
or the menu for those repetitive tasks.
at the risk of boasting,
i think i'm getting pretty good
at the intersection procedure.
 
Hello Smilo,

I´m glad you are making progress on the smooth curves in a way that
brings the satisfaction of achievement, apart from a much better looking model.

One of these days I´ll make a much rounder fuselage, with the same dimensions
but with more bulkheads in the cabin and nose area and section points in the
roof area,, and send it to you.

Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
 
one of these days would be good,
but, as has been said many times,
there is no rush.

i had completely forgotten
about the gear opening and wheel.
this will be fun.
 
after wasting several days,
hacking away at the lower aft nacelle
in a futile attempt to open a hole
for the main gear wheel well,
it finally dawned on me.
i hadn't taken into account,
the added width of the gear itself.
well, fudge...what an idiot.

so, now, i'm roughing out the gear.
those blinking details get me every time.

move forward three paces,
step back five...so it goes.
 
Hello Smilo,
It happens to me all too often too - getting something done apparently very well, and then it doesn´t fit - and Captain Obvious with his Club bangs you on the head... because you forgot the... whatever it is at that given moment...
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
 
Hello Folks!
After a while busy with other things, I´ve got the Electra 10A back on
the converyor belt, this time with AF99, then to be finished off with
SCASM, and Udo wants to do metallic textures for this one too!

I´m currently getting the dimensions and shapes. Here´s some
eye candy, just to show it´s going again! ...Should be fun!

No engines yet!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
 
More progress

Hello all!
Here´s a few shots of the current progress.
Experimenting with full structure engine nacelle bodies to try and keep things
simple for the moment, I dicovered that slanting glue templates to correspond
with the viewing angles, to separate inner-wing, nacelle body and outer wing,
this slant keeps bleeds to the surprising minimum.

Interesting... See the blueprint!
Without slanting the glue templates you´d get nacelle-body bleeds through the wing sections.

Anyway, as Ivan says... It´s getting the look!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
 

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Hello Smilo,
Thanks!
I´m working on the transparent cabin now...
Let´s see if I can get it.
I was thinking about a military version to start off with,
with the striped tailfins. Would that be OK?
Cheers,
Sleatorylamp
 
as always, whatever you want to do
is fine with me, Stephan.
...as long as you do it well
and you don't seem to have a problem with that.
 
Hello Smilo,
Thanks... Hopefully!
More progress: Better shapes all-round now.
There was a bad corner at the top of the windscreen-side
that looked like a DC-3. On this model that place is much
more rounded - difficult, though, but it came out OK.
Here´s some more eye candy!
Now I´m going to try and populate the flight deck.
P.S. Let me know if you would like to have a WIP model!
Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
 

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i love eye candy...
i just can't seem to get enough of the stuff.
yes please, i would like a WIP,
but, there's no rush.
i'll be tied up for the next few days.
 
Electra Model 10A WIP-1

Hello Smilo,
Well, then you´ll probably like the WIP!

Hello Ivan,
This is also for you, of course, as you have been coaching me along
for a long time now!

I´ve already started trying out and putting in some textures.
They are on tail surfaces, wheels, engines and engine nacelles.

All cabin bleeds have also been eliminated. I was getting interaction
between windows, nose, lower cabin and fuselage. Parts count is still
at a very discrete 102.6%.

I had so far finished the .air file quite some time ago, so if you like,
that can be tested - should you be so inclined! It has Ivan´s 2-bladed,
2-pitch position propeller again, to which it seems I´m getting addicted!

The panel for the moment is the Do-17 panel I had made last year.
So, all in good fun!
Of course, any observations or comments will be welcome, even if it is only WIP.

Cheers,
Aleatorylamp
 
Hello Aleatorylamp, Smilo,

My apologies. I had not been following this thread for a while.
Thanks for the credit for "coaching".
Recently I have been getting some coaching myself on another project which is what I did not want to set aside.
I have finally had some successful results which is why I am taking a short break to see what I might have been neglecting recently.
Anna Honey is also back from her trip, so someone else can yell at my Son when he needs it. Besides, the quarter is over and grades are in. We don't have the results yet, but nothing we can do about what is already in.

The Electra looks very interesting! It seems like your use of Structures may allow you to get this project done within AF99 limits, but at this point, you know enough about SCASM to address things even if you exceed the limits.
It does seem to be getting "The Look".

I haven't had a chance to flip the model around in the simulator to take a closer look, but I can tell you that for me, the area that bothers me the most on one of these aeroplanes is around the windscreen and nose sections.
To get the shape to something satisfactory with the P-3 Orion took me about 50 tries.

Glad you like the two pitch propeller.
What amazed me when reading about this aeroplane was how really slow it was.
It looked like it should be fast but wasn't.

- Ivan.
 
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